688,000 people to be thrown off food stamps

Candy, you are so naive about how things work.  My spouse has been very ill since 2012.  She got SSDI about a year ago. Right now she is in the two-year waiting period post-SSDI award to qualify for Medicare. My wife typically goes on and off-state benefits (Medicaid) 4-5 times a year depending on if she is hospitalized or if she has been recently hospitalized. These aren't simple forms. Most of this documentation isn't something you have on hand. My wife got a notice two days ago stating that they wanted, her SS records, bank statements, doctor's statements, pay records from my work, my daughter's SS records, appraisals of our vehicles, a signed statement from a bank officer detailing the current balance we owe on them and all other sorts of documentation. She had three non-business days to comply.  Which means she had to fill out another form asking for an extension to complete the documentation. 

 

The really interesting thing is they track my income through the State's unemployment tax system. Every time my pay changes in the most infinitesimal amounts they send out this same documentation order requiring all the stuff they want up to date as of the date of that form request. For example, something as simple as one paid holiday will trigger one of these requests. My employer has had to fill out 15 of these requests so far this year alone.  Sometimes they request new documentation every other week if my hours at my job vary in any way say I work 36 hours one week and then 40 the next. 

 

The only howling I hear is from bedwetters like you that think that such bullshit is a reasonable burden to impose on someone that has a debilitating chronic illness. I really feel for the elderly, those that don't have an able-bodied person to assist them and those that don't have the intellectual means to complete these forms multiple times a year all because of conservative assholes that think somebody might be getting an extra $10 they don't deserve. 

 

 

 

Edited on Dec 5, 2019 5:03pm

Our Trumpers evidently don't realize that people ages 18-49 have children. Cut off those people's SNAP benefits, and their children may go hungry.

 

The standard conservative narrative is that there's a "welfare lifestyle" and that there are zillions and kabillions of people out there just sitting on their couches, eating Cheetos, and chuckling to themselves about how they're living on the government's dime. The only problem with that logic is that SNAP benefits have a limited life (six months, usually) and also a lifetime cap. Furthermore, the average person got about $200 a month before Trump slashed the program (an event prior to the one I'm talking about here), which by itself wouldn't keep one person alive. And that $200, you only get if you have no other sources of income. Furthermore. most states have an "assets test" with a ridiculously low threshold, like $2000. Your car, furniture, etc. are worth that much, well, no soup for you.

 

Trumpers have almost no sympathy, compassion, or empathy. They are not bothered at all by the idea of someone going hungry. The fact of the matter is that we waste enough food to feed everyone who needs it several times over. It's also true that adequate nutrition prevents disease and adequate food lowers crime. Trumper Utopia would be a dangerous, disease-ridden world.

 

And yeah, some of these people are lazy or incompetent or just fuckups. I don't get my panties in a twist because they get food that they might not "deserve" (by Republican standards). I pointed out two reasons why I'm not upset by that: one, the money goes back into the community, and two, cutting off X number of people because they don't "deserve" benefits has the inevitable effect of cutting off some people who do.

Originally posted by: David Miller

So what you are saying that because there are a small percentage of people who are deserving that ALL of the rest who are undeserving should get to abuse the system, is that correct?  How would YOU deal with this if YOU were in charge?  Is there a workable solution that would make everyone happy? If so, tell us what it is. 


Nope, what I saying is that there is a very small percentage of people that are scamming the system. It is a non-existent problem. You are simply punishing people with substantial problems to theoretically weed out the 1% that are scamming the system.  Nobody scams food stamps in the way you claim, because it isn't worth the trouble for a couple of hundred dollars a month in food. 

 Der Fuhrer says-"Our Trumpers evidently don't realize that people ages 18-49 have children. Cut off those people's SNAP benefits, and their children may go hungry.--- Apparently his reading comprehension skils are on par with Marks. The change clearly states that -adults between the ages of 18-49 without children-  


Mark, you have to realize that being a Trumper makes a person nasty. Candy is an example. She's normally perfectly sane and a good person (I surmise), but push one of her conservative buttons and she loses her ability for rational thought and becomes a mean-spirited Trumper.

 

I think that one has to have direct experience to understand how pitiful the social safety net really is--you with your wife, me with my nephew. All the Trumpers think that you just fill out a few forms and the gummint showers you with goodies. That's not the reality of it. You have to scrounge and beg just to get anything--and there's usually one hell of a delay, during which your needs will not go away.

 

As I've said before, it comes down to simple compassion and human decency. Are you willing to stifle your outrage that some people who, by YOUR noble standards, get "free shit" that they don't "deserve"--in order to make sure that everyone who truly needs assistance gets it? Does someone starving or dying because they can't get help make you feel worse than some poor slob getting a couple of hundred dollars to buy food?

 

If you're a conservative, the latter is what really bothers you. And that's why I loathe conservatives.

Edited on Dec 5, 2019 5:06pm

Mark adds-"Nope, what I saying is that there is a very small percentage of people that are scamming the system. It is a non-existent problem. You are simply punishing people with substantial problems to theoretically weed out the 1% that are scamming the system.  Nobody scams food stamps in the way you claim, because it isn't worth the trouble for a couple of hundred dollars a month in food." ----- Apparently it is worth it, to the tune of 4.5 BILLION dollars for 5 years. 

           

 

Do you have a link so I can see what you are talking about? The scams people run on food stamps are usually people that legitimately qualify for the food stamps but then sell them for half-face value in cash or buy them. Trump's plan doesn't do anything other than punish people with serious problems.

 

Edited on Dec 5, 2019 5:33pm

as requested-https://www.supermarketnews.com/laws-regulations/snap-rule-change-would-cut-food-stamp-benefits-700000-recipients

Originally posted by: David Miller

as requested-https://www.supermarketnews.com/laws-regulations/snap-rule-change-would-cut-food-stamp-benefits-700000-recipients


I don't see that $4.5 dollar amount you are quoting in that link.

scroll down, under the picture of the man at the podium and 3 paragraphs down...

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