And them Democrats didn't mumble a word!!! Spent 186 BILLION to fund the Ukraine war!! TAX PAYERS MONEY and Sleepy Creepy Joe said ya'll gonna take it and love it!!!!!!

Biden's response to the esculatig oil prices  ---  https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1553787012832371

Yeah, they're definitely "esculatig"!

Davey Dog needs to be put down.

So we should have not honored our treaty and agreement with Ukraine? We made an agreement with them, and so far they have held up their end. Why should we not hold up ours? 

Russia has implied that part of their end goal is to take Alaska. Would annexing the largest country in Europe bring him closer to that goal? (They have talked about taking land back that belonged to the Russian empire and have used that as reasoning for several invasions and occupations over the years) 

You do understand we did not give Ukraine a check for $186 billion right? 

You do of course understand that most of that figure comes from the estimated retail value of the old stock of weapons we shipped to them right? Munitions that were passed their shelf date that we were replacing with new stock. 

You also understand that it was likely cheaper to give it to them than it was to dismantle, and refurbish them? 

He might be consulting Google to get his response, which is why he hasn't respond to you.   LOL

Engaging with him on anything that requires an actual independently thought out response, is futile, but I appreciate your reslove, LiveFree.   You're a good egg. 

My thoughts/hope with such responses is that even if he doesn't realize the inaccuracies that he copy and pastes maybe someone will. 

Maybe someone that is starting to believe the propaganda that we cut Ukraine a check for $186 billion will realize that's not the case. (On a side note he is suspiciously silent about the billions we give to Israel)

Also with a little luck, at least a few people reading the contrast in posting styles will find some entertainment from reading the exchanges. 

Well, if I was dining at a restaurant, and the guy at the next table stood up, dropped his pants, grabbed his napkin, wiped his ass with it, and then offered it to me to sniff, not only would I refuse to sniff it, my response wouldn't be very polite at all.

I guess that makes you a better person than me...you would thank him, take the napkin, sniff it, and then politely explain why you don't find it pleasant. I guess I've spent too long in the restaurants of this world and sniffed too many napkins. I'm glad to see that unlike me, your idealism is intact.

Meanwhile, we see that Davey Dog is offering us even more than his usual plethora of featured material dug directly out of his ass.

Saying I would sniff said item and react that way is almost as stupid as when someone says you would have Iran develop nuclear weapons and destroy Isreal and is just as much a false dichotomy. 

Additionally it's a poor analogy because actions done in person,  and words on a screen are very different. 

I am not even sure why you would say that, when did I say or imply anything about being a better person than you? My comments had nothing to do with you at all. 

When I mentioned about contrasting posting styles did you think I meant the contrast between you and I? I was talking about the difference between David and myself. It had nothing to do with you. 

No, I'm not saying that you meant that at all. I was just continuing my criticism that I think you give Miller consideration he absolutely doesn't deserve. I realize that that's an artifact of your unfailingly polite demeanor, which I do admire. However, I think that there is some point at which responding to people like Miller with civility, when he refuses to respond in kind, is...wrong.

You seem to think that David's posts may have some value here. I do disagree, and strongly at that. There have been too many valuable discussions blown up by his asshole crap. And my loathing for him is greatly increased by the realization that his is a constructed persona, he doesn't believe a tenth of the shit he posts, and his sole purpose here is to start arguments and insult people. What sort of person revels in that?

Anyway, I see that he has achieved his goal yet again, which is to sow dissent. I once again apologize. You can certainly choose freely how you interact with others here. If that's with an excess of politeness IMHO, well, that's your lookout. Miller wants us all to hate each other. Maybe your approach to that is superior to mine.

No apology necessary. 

Part of the reason I respond the way I do is because I'm not having a conversation in private. I am having a conversation in public. 

Therefore the courtesy I give is not only extended to the poster to whom I respond,  but to everyone reading the forum.

You are 100% free to comment the way you do and I would never advise you to do otherwise.

So the following is not an attempt to change your style but rather an attempt to explain some motivations behind my own. 

This is a semi-public form.

Imagine if you will someone who is on the fence about some particular issue. Let's say this person is a good  person, one who does want to learn, but is somewhat lacking in critical thinking skills.

They come across a regurgitated Facebook meme or post on a forum and it seems convincing. It seems like it could be accurate, and it tickles a hunch they've kind of had. 

Now imagine two different responses.

 One that insults the person, their family, and the entire state they live in. Doing so with an apparent attempt to make them or anyone who may agree with them feel like an idiot. 

Another response uses, patience and reason to carefully point out the flawed logic demonstrated while attempting to not make someone feel stupid for having believed it. 

Which response do you feel is more likely to convince that fence sitter, that my view view is accurate and the post was inaccurate and logically flawed perhaps causing them to do a bit of research on their own.

Which response do you think is likely to cause them to turtle up or dig in and double down on their flawed position? 

You see someone who you think is wrong and you like to point it out directly, I prefer to let them further demonstrate the wrongness and let others see. 

Neither approach is correct or incorrect. Just different. 

I understand and don't really disagree. I guess I'm just tired of pointing out the childishly flawed "logic" used by Miller and our other MAGAs to "prove" their points. And since I and others keep refuting and schooling them, they devolve to just repeating the same tired shit over and over. Ask them an uncomfortable question and they won't even try to answer:

Why would anyone commit election fraud?

If high inflation was Biden's fault, how come it was just as bad or worse in the rest of the world?

Is Trump a criminal?

So if you're jiu-jitsuing this, and you're responding not to the poster per se but rather, to anyone who might have poor enough thinking skills to agree with him, then you're helping the community, in a backhanded fashion. I guess I've grown tired of reasoning with MAGA, because haven't the last ten years given any decent, thinking person ample reason to loathe them? Why on earth would anyone watch what the Orange Pig has done to us all and still LUVVVV him? Could such a person ever be reasoned with? And to zoom back in to LVA Land, could Miller or anyone who actually likes his shit ever be reasoned with?

If our country is overpopulated with idiots--and the 2024 election certainly suggests so--then whatever you or I do will never matter anyway. We can't kill them all. And we certainly can't educate them.