Another day, another ICE killing

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

in The case of the Bundy ranch incident.     You can look at the groups he affiliatted with directly or the ones who showed up and pointed scoped rifles at our federal officers.  

those groups included but were not limited too:

the Oath Keepers

the White Mountain Militia

the Pratorian Guard

The Posse Comitatus

 

I invite you to research these groups' ideological Views and mission statements,     I put them all in one bucket and call them "right wing gun nuts" .    Feel free to group and label with your own vocabulary

 

 


But my question was whether or not you consider all people who carry guns "gun nuts". 

 

I genuinely do not know that's why I'm asking. 

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

But my question was whether or not you consider all people who carry guns "gun nuts". 

 

I genuinely do not know that's why I'm asking. 


No.    

if the Minnesota incident went down the way Kristy Noem said (and lied) I would have agreed with the shooting.    You can't point guns at law officers and you can't conspire to do harm with guns,     Alex Pretti is innocent of both those charges.   

so I dont call him a gun nut.    Right wingers who act the same way are also innocent of that label.  How's that?

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

No.    

if the Minnesota incident went down the way Kristy Noem said (and lied) I would have agreed with the shooting.    You can't point guns at law officers and you can't conspire to do harm with guns,     Alex Pretti is innocent of both those charges.   

so I dont call him a gun nut.    Right wingers who act the same way are also innocent of that label.  How's that?


Thank you for the clarification. I was asking because I do know people who think that all gun owners are gun nuts. 

 

I agree with you that it definitely looks like the administration is lying about this incident. I still feel like I don't have enough information to say for sure but I'm definitely leaning toward it being unjustified. 


  First of all, ICE did not shoot him, it was a Border Patrol agent. Originally posted by: David Miller



OK, I apologize for that.  Arent they sort of one in the same?  Won't matter, as it was someone there at Trump's behest.

 

Candy


Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

OK, I apologize for that.  Arent they sort of one in the same?  Won't matter, as it was someone there at Trump's behest.

 

Candy


Their functions overlap, they often work together, and they often man the same posts/stations. But as you say, is there any real difference whether the murderer was BP or ICE? I asked David that question, but he was too cowardly to answer 

 

As you say, Trump was the murderer, as the killer was ordered to be there and was given carte blanche by him. 

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

Thank you for the clarification. I was asking because I do know people who think that all gun owners are gun nuts. 

 

I agree with you that it definitely looks like the administration is lying about this incident. I still feel like I don't have enough information to say for sure but I'm definitely leaning toward it being unjustified. 


You might consider me to be one of those people. I do not think that ANYONE should own a gun.

 

1.Killing animals may be fun for some people (manhood issues), but that "sport's" time has come and gone.

 

2. If people in a confrontation have guns, the probability of violent death rises dramatically.

 

3. Probably every gun nut harbors a fantasy of hearing somebody downstairs, taking the gun out of the bedside drawer, sneaking up on and blowing away the foul miscreant. But how often does that ever happen? Do you read about it in the paper?

 

4. The presence of a gun in the house drastically increases the possibility of a gun accident. Kids are good at getting into things. And if Daddy is fascinated by guns--Junior will be, too.

 

5. And we have examples. In Europe and Australia, hardly anyone owns guns. And their violent death rate is something like one twelfth of ours.

I find it really funny that some right-wing Amendment 2 die-hards first response was, " Why did he bring a gun to a peaceful protest?". Looking at you tom.

 

Just proves what I've always said about MAGA, they have no personal moral, ethical, or belief center, they flap in the wind to whatever narrative "proves" their need to be right on whatever is currently in the news. How could I condense a sentence that long into a compact label?

 

Oh yeah, intellectual pussy's

Edited on Jan 27, 2026 4:43am
Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

I find it really funny that some right-wing Amendment 2 die-hards first response was, " Why did he bring a gun to a peaceful protest?". Looking at you tom.

 

Just proves what I've always said about MAGA, they have no personal moral, ethical, or belief center, they flap in the wind to whatever narrative "proves" their need to be right on whatever is currently in the news. How could a condensed sentence that long into a compact label?

 

Oh yeah, intellectual pussy's


  You left out the part of this guy not only bringing a pistol but he also brought 2 loaded magazines - why 2 loaded magazines and why a pistol?  He also brought himself, and his armament, to a location where officers wrer doing their job apprehending a criminal - talk about an "intellectual pussy" ....

Originally posted by: David Miller

  You left out the part of this guy not only bringing a pistol but he also brought 2 loaded magazines - why 2 loaded magazines and why a pistol?  He also brought himself, and his armament, to a location where officers wrer doing their job apprehending a criminal - talk about an "intellectual pussy" ....


What would you expect a conceal/carry person to have on them?  A rifle?  

Originally posted by: David Miller

  You left out the part of this guy not only bringing a pistol but he also brought 2 loaded magazines - why 2 loaded magazines and why a pistol?  He also brought himself, and his armament, to a location where officers wrer doing their job apprehending a criminal - talk about an "intellectual pussy" ....


It is generally unwise to physically obstruct law enforcement. However carrying a pistol is a right. A right affirmed by the 2nd amendment. 

 

 

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