Another day, another ICE killing

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

What would you expect a conceal/carry person to have on them?  A rifle?  


 Common sense.

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

It is generally unwise to physically obstruct law enforcement. However carrying a pistol is a right. A right affirmed by the 2nd amendment. 

 

 


 Now ask yourself, why would you or anyone else arm themselves with a pistol and 2 loaded magazines and then insert ones self into an area where officers are attempting to arrest a criminal? Would you do this? And if you would, why? Make sense of doing so to me and others who have the same question.

Originally posted by: David Miller

 Now ask yourself, why would you or anyone else arm themselves with a pistol and 2 loaded magazines and then insert ones self into an area where officers are attempting to arrest a criminal? Would you do this? And if you would, why? Make sense of doing so to me and others who have the same question.


The circumstances under which I would physically resist law enforcement are very few. Generally the place to fight law enforcement is the courtroom not the street.

 

So I guess the answer to your question is no. I probably wouldn't do that. 

 

What I am saying is there's nothing wrong in and of itself with carrying a loaded firearm. Whether that's to the grocery store, the park, a protest, or any other lawful activity one might be doing that day. 

 

I think whether or not he committed the crime of obstruction has basically nothing to do with whether or not he had a concealed firearm.

 

If later it comes out that he used that weapon to obstruct law enforcement that's a different matter. 

 

There is currently no evidence to suggest that he intended to use that firearm in an unlawful manner. There's currently no evidence to suggest that he ever drew his firearm. 

 

I can think of a lot of reasons why people choose to carry everyday. 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

The circumstances under which I would physically resist law enforcement are very few. Generally the place to fight law enforcement is the courtroom not the street.

 

So I guess the answer to your question is no. I probably wouldn't do that. 

 

What I am saying is there's nothing wrong in and of itself with carrying a loaded firearm. Whether that's to the grocery store, the park, a protest, or any other lawful activity one might be doing that day. 

 

I think whether or not he committed the crime of obstruction has basically nothing to do with whether or not he had a concealed firearm.

 

If later it comes out that he used that weapon to obstruct law enforcement that's a different matter. 

 

There is currently no evidence to suggest that he intended to use that firearm in an unlawful manner. There's currently no evidence to suggest that he ever drew his firearm. 

 

I can think of a lot of reasons why people choose to carry everyday. 

 

 

 

 

 


  What other reason would one carry a gun and 2 additional loaded magazines  anywhere if they did not intend to shoot the gun if they so desired?  If he had not of taken the gun to the scene then this discussion would be moot.


Originally posted by: David Miller

  What other reason would one carry a gun and 2 additional loaded magazines  anywhere if they did not intend to shoot the gun if they so desired?  If he had not of taken the gun to the scene then this discussion would be moot.


I can't really speculate as to why he was carrying. I don't think it's fair to assume the intent was to harm law enforcement. Perhaps he was concerned that someone else would try to harm him. Perhaps he was concerned about the drive home later. There is crime in the city there's carjackings robberies etc. 

 

I think it is reasonable for one to carry a firearm while going about their day-to-day life. 

 

So I can better understand your philosophical viewpoint. May I ask a question apart from the context of this specific incident? Do you think it is unreasonable for one to carry a concealed firearm with them to the grocery store and then back home? Not breaking any other laws, not interfering with law enforcement, just the simple act of carrying a firearm in and of itself. What are your thoughts? 

 

 

        No, I don't think it is unreasonable. But you have to ask yourself, why choose to go to a location where protestors and officers are located, with a gun? Why take a gun? Why not leave the gun and 2 magazines in his car? Was he expecting trouble? And if trouble arose, was he going to use his gun, shoot til empty and then replace the magazine with another loaded magazine? The carrying of a firearm is not a "simple act" - it is a precautionary preconcieved act designed for the purpose of possibly being needed to use. Here is a question for you - say you are an officer and discover that an individual was in posession of an UNDECLARED weapon as you are trying to subdue him as he resists. What would you think then?

Edited on Jan 26, 2026 11:22pm

It's stupid to debate whether the victim "should" or "shouldn't" have carried a gun, carried extra magazines, carried nuclear weapons, eaten at Burger King, etc. etc. etc. He was within his rights to carry a concealed weapon, had the proper permits, etc. All this debate sounds like just another MAGA attempt to blame the victim.

It's grossly stupid to carry a firearm as one goes about one's daily business. The chance of something horrible inadvertently happening is far greater than that of one's beloved gun rescuing oneself or a fair damsel, etc.

 

That said, it is an act of stupidity specifically named as a civil right in our foundational laws. Trying to blame the victim for exercising his right to carry a firearm is simply disgusting.

Edited on Jan 26, 2026 11:54pm
Originally posted by: David Miller

        No, I don't think it is unreasonable. But you have to ask yourself, why choose to go to a location where protestors and officers are located, with a gun? Why take a gun? Why not leave the gun and 2 magazines in his car? Was he expecting trouble? And if trouble arose, was he going to use his gun, shoot til empty and then replace the magazine with another loaded magazine? The carrying of a firearm is not a "simple act" - it is a precautionary preconcieved act designed for the purpose of possibly being needed to use. Here is a question for you - say you are an officer and discover that an individual was in posession of an UNDECLARED weapon as you are trying to subdue him as he resists. What would you think then?


A lot of times when people carry every day it become such a habit that they don't think of it as taking a gun somewhere they just think of it as going somewhere. 

 

Generally I would try to avoid leaving a pistol in a vehicle unattended. I wouldn't want to worry about it getting stolen. 

 

Most people I know who carry aren't expecting trouble and don't feel they will need it. If they felt they would need it they would stay home. 

 

I agree with you that physically interfering with law enforcement is not a wise idea. Especially if armed. 

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

It's stupid to debate whether the victim "should" or "shouldn't" have carried a gun, carried extra magazines, carried nuclear weapons, eaten at Burger King, etc. etc. etc. He was within his rights to carry a concealed weapon, had the proper permits, etc. All this debate sounds like just another MAGA attempt to blame the victim.


I agree with you. That is more or less the point I am trying to make. 

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