Another day, another ICE killing

I don't know Kevin.  These "police" meatheads are very dangerous.  I can't say that I would.  I might record it but from a distance.  

Dang, I'm so amazed at how the pro Amendment 2 folks are now calling for limits on how they can carry. 

Are you pro Amendment 2?

How about you can carry a .22 caliber and one bullet in your pocket like Barney Fife? If you exceed that, then the government can execute you?

Are you on board, I assume, Mr. MAGA?

Sorry, you ventured into the Sink, time to man up. 

I think we all have to actively resist and confront them. Otherwise, they'll just grow more and more brazen. Remember, we aren't talking about dealing with actual humans. We're talking about dealing with dimwitted thugs who've been told that they're free to kill people without suffering any consequences. They were chosen for their brutality, inhumanity, and stupidity--not their abilities as law enforcement officers. So the only way to even slow them down is to make them aware that their actions are being scrutinized and recorded, and they WILL be prosecuted if they break the law. Right now, they believe, quite possibly correctly, that they're completely immune.

If the thugs hurt or kill me while I'm recording their actions and asking, as a citizen has the right to, what they're doing to that person and why...well, it's no different than being a soldier. They put themselves in harm's way to protect our rights and freedoms (or at least they did pre-Trump). I think I have the same duty, when I see someone's rights being violated. 

If I was several feet away and I saw a Trump thug (I'll refer to both ICE and Border Patrol that way, since one of our resident MAGA idiots pretends that it makes a difference) draw a gun and point it at a potential victim, I would whip out my phone and yell, "Officer, your actions are being recorded!" (whether or not I had actually managed to get the camera going). I might give him pause; I might save a life. And I also might get myself shot. 

But I simply couldn't just stand there and watch somebody be executed. I would never be able to forgive myself and would always wonder if I could have stopped it.

    This is why ICE is necessary - Kenneth Moreno Guzman, an illegal alien from Mexico, raped an 11 year old girl at knifepoint in Georgia while her little sister watched. Jimmy Kimmel didn’t cry for her. Obama didn’t put out a statement. Media mostly ignored her rape. Democrats didn’t demand changes to stop future rapes and ZERO celebrities wore a pin for her at awards show. They only pretend to care if it suits their political goals and their bank accounts. Illegals are their pets so they protect them at all costs. One day before this rape, if ICE had tried to deport him, Democrats would have impeded the arrest and helped him to escape. Heck, they impeded multiple arrests of child rapists in Minnesota just this month. Think about that.Our priorities are so messed up it’s not even funny. We need a drastic, deep rethink about this. For every Democrat performatively ranting about how awful ICE is, do you realize how many killers, rapists and criminals they’ve saved Americans from? Do you realize a girl is more likely to be a victim of violent crime via an illegal than they are to be shot by ICE? It’s not even close. Use some common sense. There’s only one kind of 100% preventable violent crime: The violent crime committed by illegals. If we simply shut down our border and deport those who came illegally, crime will continue to fall and you will actually save lives. Use your brain. Please. Stop falling into social contagions created by propaganda in your feeds. Think about this girl and her sister. Think about preventing this kind of violence daily. We can do that, but we have to let ICE do their job if we want to save girls like this

That sounds like a reasonable response to me. 

The only thing I might do differently is I might not tell them I was recording if I could avoid it. 

Telling them I'm recording might make them pause and consider what they're doing. All of the recent shootings were a thug losing his shit and acting out of anger. I'm not saying that being recorded would make a thug act professionally or decently, but it might make him consider the consequences.

Assuming, of course, that there eventually ARE some consequences for these murderous MAGA assholes.

Intervene or approach?

No way no how.

Clear out?  Probably yes.  For my own safety.  Unless my child or family member were involved, and then I would be trying to drag him or her away, not an officer.

I disagree with Kevin.  It is NOT my duty.  If Alex  inserting himself and dying for it created the attention it has, God bless.  But I am  not so inclined.

Did Alex intervene or approach other than to the lady who was pushed?  Did he actually approach an officer?  It all happened so fast, as those things tend to do.  I can't remember as I'm answering Jerry Ice's question.

Candy

I understand and respect your motivations for informing them. It's perfectly reasonable for you to do so.

My hesitation? I would be worried about the footage "disappearing" after I notified them.

  Watch this video, I believe it will explain what happened -  https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=2642455952798161

I get it. You absolutely have the right to be passive and not intervene. You may not feel qualified to do so. Or you may have people who care about or depend on you and you don't want to be injured/arrested/shot.

I did NOT say, though, that I considered intervention to be your or anyone else's duty other than mine. It's how I roll, period...not necessarily how anyone else should. Maybe it's because when I was growing up, I saw other kids being bullied and beaten up, and afraid, I did nothing. And then, as Pastor Niemoller said, they came for me.

That's the sword that cuts the Gordian knot. Why intervene, purely from a practical if not a moral standpoint? Because if I don't, I'll be next.

But maybe you can clear something up for me. I was raised by penguins. Scowling nuns bouncing chalk off our foreheads (with deadly aim) and an hour of religious instruction every day, in lieu of trivialities like math or languages (I entered high school seriously behind in both). Those formative school years had the exact opposite effect to that intended: I became a lifelong atheist. But I did become rather familiar with the Bible, which as was said in Inherit the Wind (that movie about the Scopes "Monkey Trial"), is a beautiful book of allegorical tales and poetry but certainly not to be taken by any rational person as, well...Gospel.

So I seem to recall Jesus as well as other prophets saying that we DO have a moral obligation to intervene when wrongs are being committed. Even if our own personal safety is at risk. ESPECIALLY then.

Since you know the Bible much better than I do and use it for guidance (rather than I do, as simply literature), maybe you can tell me if Jesus or anyone else said such a thing. And I wouldn't say that he ruled out violence, not with the way he went batshit crazy on the moneychangers in the Temple.