Any Trumptards Willing To Admit Trump's Foreign Policy Has Been A Horrific Failure?

I am just looking for one honest conservative.

 

Lets review: 

 

1.  Trump canceled Obama's Nuclear Agreement with Iran despite our intelligence agencies saying it was working and Iran was abiding by it.  Conservatives whined like banshees (especially the ones here) saying Obama give them 150 million of our tax dollars when in reality Obama just unfroze Iranian bank accounts so they could access their own money.  

 

2. In Helsinki Trump fawned over Putin like a lovesick school girl and took Russia's word for it that they didn't interfere in U.S. elections. 

 

3.  Trump wined, dined and 69ed Kim hoping to get a deal, so he could be recognized as a great deal maker and nominated for the Nobel Prize.  Kim took Trump to the cleaners.  Trump gave North Korea concession after concession in return for a promise that North Korea would try a little harder. The latest embarrassment came when Kim stepped-up missile tests. In response, Trump said, "Well, you said it: They’re short-range missiles," he said. "And my relationship is very good with Chairman Kim. And we’ll see what happens. But they are short-range missiles, and many people have those missiles."  If I were Kim, I'd want to meet with Trump every week so I could pick his pockets. 

 

4. Trump wanted to give Iran 15 Billion of your tax dollars. That is why Bolton quit. I note the hypocritical conservative banshees here didn't utter a screech about Trump's 15 billion dollar bribe. Instead of taking Trump's deal, the Iranians launched a drone attack against Saudi Arabia wiping out half their oil production.  

 

5.  Trump invited the Taliban to a tet-ə-ˈtet at Camp David. Instead of attending, they killed an American soldier. 

 

 

Edited on Sep 17, 2019 9:14pm

You have to understand one thing about Trumpers--most of them, at least not the utterly stupid ones, realize full well that Trump is a liar, a thief, a traitor, a racist, and above all, an utter moron.

 

But are they going to say to themselves, "Gee, I voted for this piece of filth, that means I made a mistake"?

 

No! They'll lie to themselves repeatedly about Trump in order to not have to face the truth about themselves. They'll make excuses over and over. They'll go to Trump's hate rallies and masturbate into their red hats. Anything but admit to themselves that they're backing a loser.

 

Cue the usual barrage of Trumper personal insults. We will definitely hear from Stalker, who can no more keep his mouth shut than a dog can keep from barking. And all the Trumpers will start baying in concert.

 

As far as Trump's foreign policy blunders go, I think that most of the world--even our enemies--realizes that Trump is a temporary aberration and the best thing to do is mark time until he's hustled out of office one way or another. Trump is most emphatically NOT America--he's a diseased misrepresentation of it. And the world knows it.

Liberalism truly is a sickness.

 Mark posted;

 

Lets review: 

 

"1.  Trump canceled Obama's Nuclear Agreement with Iran despite our intelligence agencies saying it was working and Iran was abiding by it.  Conservatives whined like banshees (especially the ones here) saying Obama give them 150 million of our tax dollars when in reality Obama just unfroze Iranian bank accounts so they could access their own money.  

 

2. In Helsinki Trump fawned over Putin like a lovesick school girl and took Russia's word for it that they didn't interfere in U.S. elections. 

 

3.  Trump wined, dined and 69ed Kim hoping to get a deal, so he could be recognized as a great deal maker and nominated for the Nobel Prize.  Kim took Trump to the cleaners.  Trump gave North Korea concession after concession in return for a promise that North Korea would try a little harder. The latest embarrassment came when Kim stepped-up missile tests. In response, Trump said, "Well, you said it: They’re short-range missiles," he said. "And my relationship is very good with Chairman Kim. And we’ll see what happens. But they are short-range missiles, and many people have those missiles."  If I were Kim, I'd want to meet with Trump every week so I could pick his pockets. 

 

4. Trump wanted to give Iran 15 Billion of your tax dollars. That is why Bolton quit. I note the hypocritical conservative banshees here didn't utter a screech about Trump's 15 billion dollar bribe. Instead of taking Trump's deal, the Iranians launched a drone attack against Saudi Arabia wiping out half their oil production.  

 

5.  Trump invited the Taliban to a tet-ə-ˈtet at Camp David. Instead of attending, they killed an American soldier."                                                                                                       ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

   *1). I googled the first item and the corrcet amount given in a cash transfer by Obama was 1.7 BILLION and up to 56 BILLION was made accessable from foreign banks.                                     *2). I am curious just what Mark or anyone else would have done or said in response to Putin's denial. Please respond.                                                                                                              *3). I have read on google and found that the concessions given amounted to not conducting joint military exercises with S. Korea  and the loosening of some sanctions. Kim has failed to live up to his end of the bargain and newer sanctions have been put in place. The "69ed" critique is just a rude and repugnant remark.                                                                                             *4). The alluded to $15 Billion dollar BRIBE is a twisting of reality. France suggested this amount given as a letter of credit in an effort to save the Nucleur deal at the Group of 7 summit, as reported by the New York Times. It is said by aides that the President was envisioning such a financial package only after a new agreement was reached.                                                         *5). It is believed that the Taliban invitation to Camp David was in place for talks with the Iranian's concerning discussing a new Nucleur deal agreement. As all now know, President Trump cancelled the meeting after the attack that killed an American soldier. ------------------------------------------                                           All of the above mentioned facts that I have alluded to are available to anyone on Google. If, interested, google them and decide for yourself the validity of Mark's posting.

Edited on Sep 18, 2019 11:45am

The 2016 election was a choice between two unpleasant choices.  Myself?  I am delighted to wake up each morning having nothing to do with the Clinton's.  Make your choice......Trump or Clinton.  My 401K thinks I made the correct decision and I can easily live with that.  So what will the leftist Dems offer us this go around?  I have yet to see anyone they are touting as a reasonable alternative to President Trump.  The Dem candidates look like the ATM at Harrah's to me.

Curious as to who Mark and Kevin are supporting.

1) A sack of moldy beans would be a superior alternative to Trump.

 

2) You don't give a flying fart about who Mark and I support. You just want a handle to use to insult us. For instance, if one of us said Mayor Pete, you'd make some asshole snide remark about our masculinity or sexual orientation.

 

3) Your tone and manner make you unentitled to know anything about me. I can't speak for Mark on that.

 David Miller claims, "*1). I googled the first item and the corrcet amount given in a cash transfer by Obama was 1.7 BILLION and up to 56 BILLION was made accessable from foreign banks."

 

This one has been answered by the fact-checking sites numerous times. It is Trump that made that baseless claim. Here are the facts according to politifact.com.

 

The 2015 agreement freed up Iranian assets that had been frozen under sanctions. Called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, the deal included Iran and the United States, China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom and the European Union.

 

The agreement only affected sanctions imposed to punish Iran for its nuclear program. Iran has other assets that remain frozen.

 

Some conservatives have put the amount released after lifted sanctions as high as $150 billion, which is the highest of estimates we have seen. Another estimate from Iran’s Central Bank topped out at about $29 billion in readily available funds, with another $45 billion tied up in Chinese investment projects and the foreign assets of the Iran’s Oil Ministry.

 

The Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan analytic arm of Congress, reviewed this cash transfer in a 2018 report. It gave a total of $1.7 billion.

 

 

That was the amount that U.S. and Iranian negotiators settled on to resolve an arms contract between the United States and Iran that predated the Iranian revolution in 1979. Iran had paid for military equipment, and it was never delivered.

 

So, Obama along with European countries unfroze their bank accounts and then Obama gave them money they had already paid us for weapons but never got resolving our breach of contract.  No taxpayer dollars were used.  I note David is still perfectly fine with Trump handing over 15 billion in taxpayer dollars to Iran. 

 

David Miller claims, "I am curious just what Mark or anyone else would have done or said in response to Putin's denial. Please respond."

 

I certainly wouldn't come out the gate swooning over him as Trump did. I would have said something like we strongly disagree about that and we won't stand for foreign powers interfering in our elections. 

 

As to David Miller's claim #3, President Trump has returned from a meeting with Kim Jong Un that briefly included an unprecedented venture on to North Korean soil for a sitting U.S. president.

 

And what do we have to show for that historic concession and propaganda win for Kim? Not any official concession from the North Koreans. What we do have, though, is a potential moving of the goal posts — away from a fully denuclearized Korean Peninsula.

 

It’s also worth noting that a partial deal allowing North Korea to remain a nuclear power would bear some resemblance to the Iran deal that Trump argued was so disastrous and that he pulled out of.

 

Source

 

In addition to the two concessions you mentioned, that was the biggie, David. Trump legitimizing the idea of North Korea as a nuclear power instead of insisting that all of Korea be denuclearized as has been the long-standing U.S. position. Trump seems perfectly fine with North Korea developing the ability to attack South Korea and Japan with nukes delivered by his short-range missiles. 

 

Your numbers 4 and 5 are nothing but speculation on your part.

Edited on Sep 18, 2019 4:14pm
Originally posted by: lvfritz

The 2016 election was a choice between two unpleasant choices.  Myself?  I am delighted to wake up each morning having nothing to do with the Clinton's.  Make your choice......Trump or Clinton.  My 401K thinks I made the correct decision and I can easily live with that.  So what will the leftist Dems offer us this go around?  I have yet to see anyone they are touting as a reasonable alternative to President Trump.  The Dem candidates look like the ATM at Harrah's to me.

Curious as to who Mark and Kevin are supporting.


For the record, I support all of them. My least favorite is Joe Biden.

I'm convinced Trump is not trying to get reelected.    I dont believe he wanted the job in the first place.

 

He would be much more comfortable out of office with a microphone complaining about someone else ...and how much better he would be.   Thats how he got i  -.   Not by offering solutions....just bitching about other peoples' solutions.   

 

So let me tell you how this plays out....(and this is exactly how DOnny wants it to play out).   He loses the election next year.    He gets some kind of media program deal in the short term thereafter where on a weekly basis he will discuss how the election results were fraudulent....and the new leadership is awful...and if he was still there how everything would be so much better.   And he will have a steady crowd of people like David Miller who tune in every week....and Trump will rake in millions of dollars from their ratings.   And he will usher in a new era of record White Nationalist terrorism by encouraging the crazies to not recognize his successors in the Federal government.   

 

Mark this post.    This is what will happen.    You heard it here first.

 

  

As I said liberalism is a mental disorder. Mark this poat. MAGA

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