Cui Bono?
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-netanyahu-israel-assassination/
“Maybe we should also ask the question: is the media totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel? Just a question!”
Cui Bono?
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-netanyahu-israel-assassination/
“Maybe we should also ask the question: is the media totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel? Just a question!”
It's an utterly absurd fantasy that Kirk had any access to or influence on the Turd. Clearly, he was angling for that. But he was just a tiny little piece of shit floating in the MAGA sewer. The only way Trump would have noticed him is if he had the opportunity to rape him.
Trump: "Everybody Loved Charlie"
Only Israel is allowed to have influence over Trump.
“[Charlie] was afraid of them,” the source emphasized. 
If he was pushing back on their orders to defend them hard enough because he started noticing problems and asking too many questions, it would very much behoove them to kill him, give him martyr status, and have everyone's memory of his long years of staunch Israel support stand instead of risking having him take it all back and end up with literally 100% of the under-40 demographic be full anti-zionist all at the same time.
They will not be able to replace him any time soon, but having him turn on them would be far, far worse than disposing of him. Not every move has to actually pay off in a big way to be rational - sometimes you just have to take one loss to prevent an even bigger one and then come up with your next move to score points later.
I'm undecided on the Israel-did-it theory personally but the motive is self-evidently there.
Originally posted by: 1337
Trump: "Everybody Loved Charlie"
Only Israel is allowed to have influence over Trump.
“[Charlie] was afraid of them,” the source emphasized.
If he was pushing back on their orders to defend them hard enough because he started noticing problems and asking too many questions, it would very much behoove them to kill him, give him martyr status, and have everyone's memory of his long years of staunch Israel support stand instead of risking having him take it all back and end up with literally 100% of the under-40 demographic be full anti-zionist all at the same time.
They will not be able to replace him any time soon, but having him turn on them would be far, far worse than disposing of him. Not every move has to actually pay off in a big way to be rational - sometimes you just have to take one loss to prevent an even bigger one and then come up with your next move to score points later.
I'm undecided on the Israel-did-it theory personally but the motive is self-evidently there.
Naah, it's all much more basic than that. A confused, loner kid raised in a rabidly MSGA family and deeply indoctrinated into gun love culture. Told to hate, revile, and loathe trans people, he nonetheless meets and falls in love with one. Then he hears Kirk spouting off about how trans people are "abominations" and should be wiped off the face of the earth. He has a high-powered, long-range gun. Here comes Kirk, to give a speech...
BLAMMO!
Nothing to do with Israel or politics in general at all. Just somebody preaching hate and a guy with a gun who's offended.
Originally posted by: 1337
Trump: "Everybody Loved Charlie"
Only Israel is allowed to have influence over Trump.
“[Charlie] was afraid of them,” the source emphasized.
If he was pushing back on their orders to defend them hard enough because he started noticing problems and asking too many questions, it would very much behoove them to kill him, give him martyr status, and have everyone's memory of his long years of staunch Israel support stand instead of risking having him take it all back and end up with literally 100% of the under-40 demographic be full anti-zionist all at the same time.
They will not be able to replace him any time soon, but having him turn on them would be far, far worse than disposing of him. Not every move has to actually pay off in a big way to be rational - sometimes you just have to take one loss to prevent an even bigger one and then come up with your next move to score points later.
I'm undecided on the Israel-did-it theory personally but the motive is self-evidently there.
What about the theory that the Groypers did it?
Originally posted by: Mark
What about the theory that the Groypers did it?
Nobody should be pro-israel or anti-Israel. And being anti-Israel is NOT the same thing as being anti-Semitic, despite all the MAGA propaganda.
Israel has forfeited the moral high ground. What Hamas has done is horrible. What Israel has done to Gaza is even worse, measured in terms of death (20:1) and property damage.
Very, very unlikely that the Kirk deletion was the work of some organization, government or otherwise. He simply wasn't important enough for any such organization to take the risk. Occam's Razor. He was an asshole, and another asshole took him out. The end.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Nobody should be pro-israel or anti-Israel. And being anti-Israel is NOT the same thing as being anti-Semitic, despite all the MAGA propaganda.
Israel has forfeited the moral high ground. What Hamas has done is horrible. What Israel has done to Gaza is even worse, measured in terms of death (20:1) and property damage.
Very, very unlikely that the Kirk deletion was the work of some organization, government or otherwise. He simply wasn't important enough for any such organization to take the risk. Occam's Razor. He was an asshole, and another asshole took him out. The end.
The Groypers are a rival right-wing group led by Nick Fuentes who once said, It is gay for a man to date a woman. There is some evidence suggesting that the shooter was a member of this group.
Originally posted by: Mark
The Groypers are a rival right-wing group led by Nick Fuentes who once said, It is gay for a man to date a woman. There is some evidence suggesting that the shooter was a member of this group.
OK then, group of assholes vs. group of assholes?
One thing I've found striking about MAGA is how unified they are. They don't really split up into groups and squabble, as you might expect evil insane assholes to do. MAGA isn't as brittle as it should be.
Your comment suggests that what rifts there might be are due to disagreements about sexuality. We know that in general, sexual identity is the most traumatizing issue for MAGAs.
Let's give all of them lots of encouragement, plus guns and ammo.
Originally posted by: Mark
The Groypers are a rival right-wing group led by Nick Fuentes who once said, It is gay for a man to date a woman. There is some evidence suggesting that the shooter was a member of this group.
So the Utah Gov. when he stated that this was a political shooting, was actually correct. Only it wasn't a liberal that shot CK, but an Alt-Right nut job. I wonder if any of our resident conservatives would admit that they belong to the Groyper Army. David? Boiler? Tom? Aaron?
