More proof, watch the video and wake up -- So much election fraud to expose! -- Experts explain why counting stopped on election night----because you overwhelmed the algorithm and fraudulent mail-in ballots! -- https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1601028041070405
Devil's advocate here, counterpoints, etc: (not pro Trump, just to turn this to some serious discussion)
- Every pres election has probably had some stealing, miscounting, etc. of votes. No voting system has been shown to be perfect; worse with IT development, etc.
- There is always an amount of Americans who, for whatever reasons, don't bother to vote. 1) apathy; 2) think "my spouse and my votes will cancel each other's out, so why bother?" 3) hate both candidates; 4) no party affiliation.
Just thoughts...
Has any previous election been contested to such a degree?
Candy
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
Devil's advocate here, counterpoints, etc: (not pro Trump, just to turn this to some serious discussion)
- Every pres election has probably had some stealing, miscounting, etc. of votes. No voting system has been shown to be perfect; worse with IT development, etc.
- There is always an amount of Americans who, for whatever reasons, don't bother to vote. 1) apathy; 2) think "my spouse and my votes will cancel each other's out, so why bother?" 3) hate both candidates; 4) no party affiliation.
Just thoughts...
Has any previous election been contested to such a degree?
Candy
Candy, actually, historically, there has been very, very little outright voting fraud. There is always a small percentage of damaged, mismarked, etc. ballots, but there's always a procedure to try to verify them; they're never just discarded. The percentage of overall votes is always very small and has never been enough to even come close to affecting any major election--MAGA propaganda notwithstanding.
You may not realize that all that MAGA bleating stems from ONE offhand remark Trump made in 2020: that the only way he could lose is if the election was rigged. His loyal, drooling base went all in on that.
Why is this, and why has this been, a non-issue? Simple. To cast a fraudulent ballot is to commit at least five felonies. Who would risk that? And for what? And even if you were that motivated...how would you forget a registered voter's signature? How would you know that voter hadn't already cast a ballot?
There have been contested election results in the past, but the issue has always been late reporting of results, for whatever reason, and it's always been resolved. Surely you remember Gore v. Bush.
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas
.......Has any previous election been contested to such a degree?
Candy
I do remember quite a bit of controversy with the Gore v Bush election. Especially with Florida. Recounts and "hanging chads" and such.
Well, I live in the world of "Donald Trump and pickup trucks", and farmer distress around here is quite real. The number of official bankruptcies is really insignificant, and a misleading indicator; it is that farmers are realizing they can't pay the bills or make a profit and are therefore abandoning the farms. They are not entering bankruptcy proceedings; they are simply selling the land or renting it out. The amount of land under cultivation is relatively constant; the number of farmers actually living on farms and working the land is declining precipitously. Generational farm families are getting out of the business.
