The Bloom IS Off the Rose

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

Maybe with frequent visitors like you who stop going the casinos will start to adjust their marketing offers, but I still think there are some headwinds to that. The local places are more resilient to fewer visitors, so it would depend on how badly they need to fill their rooms. The problem is, like we all know is that they raise prices faster than they lower them.

 

I don't go as often as you do, and it's for 3 to 4 days at a time. I also always play the low odds games like BP and NSUD video poker, Blackjack, and I will play 3-card poker with my wife, but I don't bet the Pair Plus bet. 

 

Just now I got an email from the Palms, where I have only played this year when I was there for the buffet coupon and a little bit in October for my birthday free play. The offer is for "rates starting at $49 plus a $20 reduced resort fee". I'm going in December already, but I clicked the link and they are sold out for December for this offer.

 

We shall see.


The real determinants will be: a) the slow strangling of the economy due to Trumpiffs, etc. b) the degree to which the casinos can tolerate reduced occupancy/visitation, as in, do they have cash reserves after 4+ years of The Gouge c) Canadian and other foreign visitors' distaste for the US (this will have its greatest effect in late winter and early spring).

 

MAGA won't discuss or acknowledge it, but we're circling the drain from an economic standpoint. And one of the first things to go when a recession hits is travel and leisure. So backing up to the last Republican-caused recession, in 2008, we saw about six months of casino bargains. Fortunately, with Obama's election, the economy recovered--but the casino bargains went away.

 

So I expect a period of relatively good Vegas deals as long as the Turd is stinking up the White House.

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

Maybe with frequent visitors like you who stop going the casinos will start to adjust their marketing offers, but I still think there are some headwinds to that. The local places are more resilient to fewer visitors, so it would depend on how badly they need to fill their rooms. The problem is, like we all know is that they raise prices faster than they lower them.

 

I don't go as often as you do, and it's for 3 to 4 days at a time. I also always play the low odds games like BP and NSUD video poker, Blackjack, and I will play 3-card poker with my wife, but I don't bet the Pair Plus bet. 

 

Just now I got an email from the Palms, where I have only played this year when I was there for the buffet coupon and a little bit in October for my birthday free play. The offer is for "rates starting at $49 plus a $20 reduced resort fee". I'm going in December already, but I clicked the link and they are sold out for December for this offer.

 

We shall see.


  Max - though I visit Vegas frequently, I never stay/play on the strip. The casinos I patronize are the South Point (the best casino in Vegas for value), the 4 Queens/Binion's, The Golden Gate (free rooms for giving play at Circa), and The Virgin. I have received consistant offers from these casinos for years, which include free rooms, free play and free food. I like to go for extended stays because I usually go at the end of one month into the start of the next month - doubling my offers. Video poker is my vice of choice with some blackjack play.Two trips ago I stayed at the "M" resort and the Palms on offers of 2 free nights, paying only the reduced rip off resort fee(s). I gave both considerable play, but have not received any worthwhile offers from either one - I will see what happens as Vegas swirls the bowl of greed. I always rent a car and make the rounds of casinos that have high point days and I make the Advisor coupon runs when they fit with my visit(s). I stayed at the Rio a few trips back and continue to get offers from them, but have not stayed there because they did not fit my schedule. I am sure that I will stay there again sometime during my next 3 trips. The rooms are nice, the video poker decent and free parking. I give Arizona Charlies(Decatur) some play on Sat/Sun when they have point multipliers and always have offers of 1 or 2 free nights with no rip of resort fees. The rooms are adequate and I have stayed there twice when they fit my schedule. Arizona Charlies and the Strat are owned by the same corp - I receive offers from the Strat for free rooms but I will not pay to park which they require. I have never set foot in Resorts World, Fountainebleu, Vdara, Aria - they have pathetic video poker as all reliable sources report. I expect for the 4 Queens to start with rip off resort fees in the future. They have devalued the $1 Double Bonus machines ( every visit I check and find no one playing those machines) and my overall play has decreased since the only playable video poker there is 25 cent Double Bonus. I expect for my offers there to deminish - oh well. I buy water at Dollar Tree and my burgers from In-N-Out. I have visited Vegas for over 40 years and know my way around - but each trip I find less and less value and just more greed. I used to frequent/enjoy Boyd properties but have not stayed/played at any of their properties since they decimated their players club. There is much more that goes into my visits, but it gets harder and harder to mine any value since the greedy casinos have removed most of the things that made Vegas great. Without an overall shake up from the casinos to return value to visitors, I can't see myself visiting much more in the future. Oh, and I don't blame President Trump for where Vegas finds itself today - that honor goes to the greedy corporate entities that have taken over and ruined the Vegas we all loved as they pad their shareholders pockets.

Originally posted by: tom

The sharp rise in the cost of living

 

Another keving lie.  From Investopedia

Joe Biden (2021–2025) Average YOY Inflation Rate: 4.95%

 

The average year-over-year inflation rate under Joe Biden was 4.95%. Biden signed the American Rescue Plan Act in 2021, a $1.9 trillion stimulus package to help the country recover from COVID-19. In the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic recovery and the soaring gas prices after the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022, inflation rose to record levels not seen since the 1980s. 31 The White House (Biden Administration) via Internet  Inflation peaked at 9.1% year-over-year in June 2022, the highest increase in 40 years.

 

The 2025 rate is 

3.0% The inflation rate for the United States in 2025 is currently reported as 3.0% for the 12 months ending September 2025

 

This is 40% lower than biden and much less than cpa kevin's projected double digit inflation rate.


Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act, which immediately brought inflation down. Take a look at the inflation graph that proves it. The law was signed in August of 2022.

 

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act, which immediately brought inflation down. Take a look at the inflation graph that proves it. The law was signed in August of 2022.

 

 

 

 

 


You've noticed that stupid Tom always cites the highest single month of inflation during Biden's term: THERE WUZ NINE PURCENT INFLAYSHUN UNDER BIDEN!!! Your basic Tom-stat.

 

The key differences: high inflation wasn't Biden's fault, and he tried and succeeded to reduce it. Now, high inflation IS Trump's fault, and he's trying to make it worse.


Originally posted by: David Miller

  Max - though I visit Vegas frequently, I never stay/play on the strip. The casinos I patronize are the South Point (the best casino in Vegas for value), the 4 Queens/Binion's, The Golden Gate (free rooms for giving play at Circa), and The Virgin. I have received consistant offers from these casinos for years, which include free rooms, free play and free food. I like to go for extended stays because I usually go at the end of one month into the start of the next month - doubling my offers. Video poker is my vice of choice with some blackjack play.Two trips ago I stayed at the "M" resort and the Palms on offers of 2 free nights, paying only the reduced rip off resort fee(s). I gave both considerable play, but have not received any worthwhile offers from either one - I will see what happens as Vegas swirls the bowl of greed. I always rent a car and make the rounds of casinos that have high point days and I make the Advisor coupon runs when they fit with my visit(s). I stayed at the Rio a few trips back and continue to get offers from them, but have not stayed there because they did not fit my schedule. I am sure that I will stay there again sometime during my next 3 trips. The rooms are nice, the video poker decent and free parking. I give Arizona Charlies(Decatur) some play on Sat/Sun when they have point multipliers and always have offers of 1 or 2 free nights with no rip of resort fees. The rooms are adequate and I have stayed there twice when they fit my schedule. Arizona Charlies and the Strat are owned by the same corp - I receive offers from the Strat for free rooms but I will not pay to park which they require. I have never set foot in Resorts World, Fountainebleu, Vdara, Aria - they have pathetic video poker as all reliable sources report. I expect for the 4 Queens to start with rip off resort fees in the future. They have devalued the $1 Double Bonus machines ( every visit I check and find no one playing those machines) and my overall play has decreased since the only playable video poker there is 25 cent Double Bonus. I expect for my offers there to deminish - oh well. I buy water at Dollar Tree and my burgers from In-N-Out. I have visited Vegas for over 40 years and know my way around - but each trip I find less and less value and just more greed. I used to frequent/enjoy Boyd properties but have not stayed/played at any of their properties since they decimated their players club. There is much more that goes into my visits, but it gets harder and harder to mine any value since the greedy casinos have removed most of the things that made Vegas great. Without an overall shake up from the casinos to return value to visitors, I can't see myself visiting much more in the future. Oh, and I don't blame President Trump for where Vegas finds itself today - that honor goes to the greedy corporate entities that have taken over and ruined the Vegas we all loved as they pad their shareholders pockets.


Do you like the Virgin?  Do they have playble VP?  I have free rooms and some additional perks through Hilton Honors I could get there.

Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act, which immediately brought inflation down

 

What specific items reduced inflation?

 

President Biden regrets naming the bill the Inflation Reduction Act, since it ultimately “has less to do with inflation

Originally posted by: tom

Biden signed the Inflation Reduction Act, which immediately brought inflation down

 

What specific items reduced inflation?

 

President Biden regrets naming the bill the Inflation Reduction Act, since it ultimately “has less to do with inflation


You can find a copy of the Act online. 

 

I'm sure you'll claim that the subsequent reduction in the inflation rate was just a coincidence. No point in attempting a rational discussion with you.

 

Stupid Tom.

Getting back to the original topic before as usual kevin derailed it; there are deals to be found; although the Strip is not the spot.

 

Sunset Station usually gives us good prices and so does the TI which will waive the resort fee and has free parking.  As a Hilton diamond member we stay sometimes at the Garden Inns or Hamptons.  Breakfast is included, no resort fees and parking is free and close by,

Originally posted by: Mark

Do you like the Virgin?  Do they have playble VP?  I have free rooms and some additional perks through Hilton Honors I could get there.


 I like the Virgin. The rooms are really nice. The property overall is very clean, good music, great drink service, and a subtle atmosphere - except on weekend when the place livens up with a hip, young crowd. The video poker is just adequate- but playable. They have a small dedicated video poker room in addition to scattered video poker throughout. They also have plenty of the newer slot games - which I never play.  They have 3/2 blackjack, double deck, from $10/15/25. The parking is free and they have pay/tip what you want valet parking.The biggest negative is the overpriced food offerings - by my standards. I believe that they match other casino players card status with their Cherry Rewards slot club. There are some really good/great perks associated with your slot card status. I suggest you check out their website for the particulars - you might be surprised. The Virgin is located just 2 or so miles from the airport. I have personally introduced the Virgin to several of my friends and they all love the place. 

Originally posted by: tom

Getting back to the original topic before as usual kevin derailed it; there are deals to be found; although the Strip is not the spot.

 

Sunset Station usually gives us good prices and so does the TI which will waive the resort fee and has free parking.  As a Hilton diamond member we stay sometimes at the Garden Inns or Hamptons.  Breakfast is included, no resort fees and parking is free and close by,


You jumped right in to the inflation and costs debate with your usual fawning Trump praise and ridiculous Tom-stats. But thank you for indicating your affinity for those properties. Given your mental condition, those places must totally suck.

 

Stupid Tom.

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