Charlie Kirk - Kevin Lewis

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

One thing for sure, he was a very confused young dude to say the least.  How off your rocker must one be to gun down someone because that person doesn't approve of trans?   I'm certainly not going to gun somebody down for being for or against it, whether I think it is odd or not.  

 

I've had lots of gay people working for me.  My nephew just came out of closet.  I couldn't care less.  What does it matter to me?  I don't think you have to be a republican or a democrat to just behave in that manner, right?   


Unfortunately, there are a lot of very confused young males out there. I read a fascinating article the other day as to why that group of conservative younger males is so angry, and it was eye-opening.

 

It boiled down to women not wanting to date them and start a traditional family with them, where the female is responsible for the household and child-rearing.  Then it examined why young women didn't want to date this subset of younger men. 

 

What they found is that more females are becoming college-educated, while more males are forgoing college.  The women get out of college and have professional opportunities. After getting out, they find that a lot of their male peer group didn't go to college or dropped out, and they often aren't fully employed, working part-time or in low-paying jobs. And they spend most of their free time playing video games. 

 

These young conservative men who are lucky enough to find themselves in relationships with females report feeling emasculated by their female partner, as they typically make more money than they do and are the breadwinners of the household. These young men also complain that their partners are not interested in raising children and being a housewife. 

 

So there is quite the disconnect. They want to live in a Leave it to Beaver world, but they aren't Ward Cleavers. 

 

If you have wondered why the MAGA movement is so anti-college, this is a big part of it. These conservative movements made up of young men, like Turning Point and the Groypers are anti-college because they believe that college brainwashes these young women into not wanting to have a family and not wanting to date them.  They seem to lack the ability of self-examination, as none of them can seem to fathom why these women don't want to date them. It can't be them, right? It must be that evil George Soros who funded their college so they could be talked out of having white babies. 

 

All I know is that because there are so many young conservative male losers out there, it is easier for me to date attractive twenty-something females in my 50s than it was in my twenties. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

They couldn't care less, Kevin.  They'd just say "OK, what else can I help you with?"   Nobody would even bring it up, on our end that is.

 

Folks from the north often express surprise at how kind/friendly people are here.  A doctor from up east, visiting our hospital, said it best this way:  "Southern hospitality is not a myth!"

 

Candy


Wellllllll...it's not a myth if you're white...and it's not a myth if you're Republican...and it's not a myth if you're from a red state.

 

Otherwise...all bets are off. A few years ago, I took an extensive road trip...San Diego to Miami. As soon as I reached East Texas, and for the rest of the trip after that, I had people reacting oddly to my Oregon license plates and several asked me "Are you lost?" I mean, yeah, they were probably joking, but...it made me feel uncomfortable. There wasn't a whiff of hospitality in those responses.

 

I did observe one kind of funny overall vibe. Blacks and whites mixed freely, everywhere as far as I could tell; yet, there was the unmistakable impression that there was a barrier that might never be torn down, that a white cashier would ring up a black man's groceries, with even a smile and a "Thank you," but that cashier would never let his daughter date him. To me, it looked like the dark hatred that had existed in the South for centuries had mutated into a kind of arm's-length basic civility--like we all do when we're in a place that's uncomfortably crowded or in an embarrassing situation.

 

And yes, I encountered what seemed like billions of TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP OUR HERO OUR SAVIOR signs--this was early 2020, right when the pandemic hit and all our schools closed (making me out of a job for a while), and my reaction was negative--what kind of utter fucking idiots ARE these people?--but I never brought that into casual conversation. I do remember deliberately not patronizing a few establishments because they were decked out in Trump regalia. Would they have been "hospitable" to me if I had been wearing a Biden t-shirt? Maybe?

 

With about half the country voting for Trump three times, I no longer think there's a whole lot of niceness out there. Maybe it's a cultural code in the South to welcome strangers? I can believe it, but frankly, over the course of a dozen trips there, I haven't seen it.

 

And BTW if you want a place where people are nice...come to Portland. Really, it's kind of unbelievable.

Originally posted by: Mark

Unfortunately, there are a lot of very confused young males out there. I read a fascinating article the other day as to why that group of conservative younger males is so angry, and it was eye-opening.

 

It boiled down to women not wanting to date them and start a traditional family with them, where the female is responsible for the household and child-rearing.  Then it examined why young women didn't want to date this subset of younger men. 

 

What they found is that more females are becoming college-educated, while more males are forgoing college.  The women get out of college and have professional opportunities. After getting out, they find that a lot of their male peer group didn't go to college or dropped out, and they often aren't fully employed, working part-time or in low-paying jobs. And they spend most of their free time playing video games. 

 

These young conservative men who are lucky enough to find themselves in relationships with females report feeling emasculated by their female partner, as they typically make more money than they do and are the breadwinners of the household. These young men also complain that their partners are not interested in raising children and being a housewife. 

 

So there is quite the disconnect. They want to live in a Leave it to Beaver world, but they aren't Ward Cleavers. 

 

If you have wondered why the MAGA movement is so anti-college, this is a big part of it. These conservative movements made up of young men, like Turning Point and the Groypers are anti-college because they believe that college brainwashes these young women into not wanting to have a family and not wanting to date them.  They seem to lack the ability of self-examination, as none of them can seem to fathom why these women don't want to date them. It can't be them, right? It must be that evil George Soros who funded their college so they could be talked out of having white babies. 

 

All I know is that because there are so many young conservative male losers out there, it is easier for me to date attractive twenty-something females in my 50s than it was in my twenties. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


I was born in San Francisco and grew up just north of The City. My family and I took many trips into The City for various reasons, and several times, we went through the Castro district, the historically gay enclave. We saw guys walking down the street holding hands, and such. We always thought of it all as just kind of cute, or intriguing.

 

Then a few years later, I worked at a major bank in the City. Almost all of the employees on my floor were roughly my age or a bit older. 30 of them were women. 33 were men. 30 of those 33 men were gay--so I never had any trouble finding after-work dinner dates with the 30 women: a 10-1 straight men to women ratio. I also took the ladies to ballgames, the symphony, museums, and music venues. One of the best dates I remember was I went to the zoo with a girl from Germany. 

 

Damn damn damn, when I remember those two years in The City, with so, so much to do and see, and it was all in one compact, easy-to-navigate area (you didn't need a car), I want to jump in a time machine and go back and bonk my younger self on the head and tell him not to leave, you idiot.

 

And obviously, for my entire life, I've been bewildered by all this anti-gay virtriol. In SF, I had gay friends, went to dinner with them, went to ballgames (go Giants!). They were just...people! And let's face it---in the vast majority of social and workplace interactions, do you know or care who that other person likes to fuck? 

 

I'd have to say that Republican anti-gay hatred--the sheer HEAT of it all--pretty much has made me a Democrat, more than any other issue.

 

 

OTOH, we tend to find what we are looking for. 

 

Candy

 


Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I was born in San Francisco and grew up just north of The City. My family and I took many trips into The City for various reasons, and several times, we went through the Castro district, the historically gay enclave. We saw guys walking down the street holding hands, and such. We always thought of it all as just kind of cute, or intriguing.

 

Then a few years later, I worked at a major bank in the City. Almost all of the employees on my floor were roughly my age or a bit older. 30 of them were women. 33 were men. 30 of those 33 men were gay--so I never had any trouble finding after-work dinner dates with the 30 women: a 10-1 straight men to women ratio. I also took the ladies to ballgames, the symphony, museums, and music venues. One of the best dates I remember was I went to the zoo with a girl from Germany. 

 

Damn damn damn, when I remember those two years in The City, with so, so much to do and see, and it was all in one compact, easy-to-navigate area (you didn't need a car), I want to jump in a time machine and go back and bonk my younger self on the head and tell him not to leave, you idiot.

 

And obviously, for my entire life, I've been bewildered by all this anti-gay virtriol. In SF, I had gay friends, went to dinner with them, went to ballgames (go Giants!). They were just...people! And let's face it---in the vast majority of social and workplace interactions, do you know or care who that other person likes to fuck? 

 

I'd have to say that Republican anti-gay hatred--the sheer HEAT of it all--pretty much has made me a Democrat, more than any other issue.

 

 


   This line -"I'd have to say that Republican anti-gay hatred--the sheer HEAT of it all--pretty much has made me a Democrat, more than any other issue." is pure horse shit. 

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I was born in San Francisco and grew up just north of The City. My family and I took many trips into The City for various reasons, and several times, we went through the Castro district, the historically gay enclave. We saw guys walking down the street holding hands, and such. We always thought of it all as just kind of cute, or intriguing.

 

Then a few years later, I worked at a major bank in the City. Almost all of the employees on my floor were roughly my age or a bit older. 30 of them were women. 33 were men. 30 of those 33 men were gay--so I never had any trouble finding after-work dinner dates with the 30 women: a 10-1 straight men to women ratio. I also took the ladies to ballgames, the symphony, museums, and music venues. One of the best dates I remember was I went to the zoo with a girl from Germany. 

 

Damn damn damn, when I remember those two years in The City, with so, so much to do and see, and it was all in one compact, easy-to-navigate area (you didn't need a car), I want to jump in a time machine and go back and bonk my younger self on the head and tell him not to leave, you idiot.

 

And obviously, for my entire life, I've been bewildered by all this anti-gay virtriol. In SF, I had gay friends, went to dinner with them, went to ballgames (go Giants!). They were just...people! And let's face it---in the vast majority of social and workplace interactions, do you know or care who that other person likes to fuck? 

 

I'd have to say that Republican anti-gay hatred--the sheer HEAT of it all--pretty much has made me a Democrat, more than any other issue.

 

 


   This line -"I'd have to say that Republican anti-gay hatred--the sheer HEAT of it all--pretty much has made me a Democrat, more than any other issue." is pure horse shit. 

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

One thing for sure, he was a very confused young dude to say the least.  How off your rocker must one be to gun down someone because that person doesn't approve of trans?   I'm certainly not going to gun somebody down for being for or against it, whether I think it is odd or not.  

 

I've had lots of gay people working for me.  My nephew just came out of closet.  I couldn't care less.  What does it matter to me?  I don't think you have to be a republican or a democrat to just behave in that manner, right?   


Oh, for sure, but that isn't stopping MAGA from painting the shooting as an act perpetrated by someone who had betrayed his cult and became a LIBURRUL.

 

I don't think that this was all that big of a step for Robinson. He grew up in a family and belonging to a cult that said guns were the answer to everything. Then he fell in love--and he heard Kirk spout that people like his beloved were "an abomination" and "should be wiped from the face of the earth." He could probably see that Kirk was a rising shit (oops, sorry, star) in the state political arena, and he might have been genuinely alarmed and worried by not only Kirk's anti-trans rhetoric, but also the cheering crowds.

 

Pity that he didn't know that he and his friend could have moved to Portland or Eugene and been welcomed with open arms. And he could have traded all his guns for a decade's supply of some really bitchin' pot.

Originally posted by: Mark

Unfortunately, there are a lot of very confused young males out there. I read a fascinating article the other day as to why that group of conservative younger males is so angry, and it was eye-opening.

 

It boiled down to women not wanting to date them and start a traditional family with them, where the female is responsible for the household and child-rearing.  Then it examined why young women didn't want to date this subset of younger men. 

 

What they found is that more females are becoming college-educated, while more males are forgoing college.  The women get out of college and have professional opportunities. After getting out, they find that a lot of their male peer group didn't go to college or dropped out, and they often aren't fully employed, working part-time or in low-paying jobs. And they spend most of their free time playing video games. 

 

These young conservative men who are lucky enough to find themselves in relationships with females report feeling emasculated by their female partner, as they typically make more money than they do and are the breadwinners of the household. These young men also complain that their partners are not interested in raising children and being a housewife. 

 

So there is quite the disconnect. They want to live in a Leave it to Beaver world, but they aren't Ward Cleavers. 

 

If you have wondered why the MAGA movement is so anti-college, this is a big part of it. These conservative movements made up of young men, like Turning Point and the Groypers are anti-college because they believe that college brainwashes these young women into not wanting to have a family and not wanting to date them.  They seem to lack the ability of self-examination, as none of them can seem to fathom why these women don't want to date them. It can't be them, right? It must be that evil George Soros who funded their college so they could be talked out of having white babies. 

 

All I know is that because there are so many young conservative male losers out there, it is easier for me to date attractive twenty-something females in my 50s than it was in my twenties. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


That would be a very interesting article to read if you have a link.  

 

I went to a corporate pickleball event about a month ago and was paired with an attractive late 20's woman.  Had a blast playing doubles with her and bought her work cohort and her a drink after at fundraiser. 

 

Same deal.  She asked me if I was married.  I was like "huh, me?"  :)  LOL

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Oh, for sure, but that isn't stopping MAGA from painting the shooting as an act perpetrated by someone who had betrayed his cult and became a LIBURRUL.

 

I don't think that this was all that big of a step for Robinson. He grew up in a family and belonging to a cult that said guns were the answer to everything. Then he fell in love--and he heard Kirk spout that people like his beloved were "an abomination" and "should be wiped from the face of the earth." He could probably see that Kirk was a rising shit (oops, sorry, star) in the state political arena, and he might have been genuinely alarmed and worried by not only Kirk's anti-trans rhetoric, but also the cheering crowds.

 

Pity that he didn't know that he and his friend could have moved to Portland or Eugene and been welcomed with open arms. And he could have traded all his guns for a decade's supply of some really bitchin' pot.


One thing I'm continually disgusted by is Trump's constant penchant to divide the country and throw fuel on the fire.  You just can't have POTUS doing that from either side.  It leads to a lot of bad shit.  

I'm actually much more disgusted by the horrid number and insane continuing loyalty of his cult. I mean, he's one sicko, narcissistic, a complete asshole, STOOOPID though cunning, a serial liar, a crook, and a rapist. But only one. If not for the millions of awful, stupid fucks who LUVVVVV him, he'd just be a nursing home resident, screaming at the help and constantly shitting his diaper.

 

Trump isn't really a President. Presidents take an oath to defend the Constitution. In the last seven months, he's tried to violate three separate articles and amendments. Presidents have a job to do. Trump works a five-hour day and is only present four days a week. Presidents regard all Americans equally and protect their rights. Trump thinks that if you aren't MAGA, you can be dragged away, sued, your business destroyed, your job taken away, subjected to criminal prosecution...all for the crime of not LUVVVing him.

 

The Trump era is one of division, as you say, and hatred. I don't know how long it'll take to fix it. Obviously, the sane party has to regain control of the House, then the Senate, then the White House. And even then, it might take a decade to undo all the damage he's done and will have done. And SCOTUS may take even longer to fix.

 

The one horrible outcome I fear is either Republicans or Democrats, or both, deciding to solve their problems by Charlie Walkering their elected representatives. It would take so little for everything to spiral out of control. And the gun love culture is ever-present in MAGA.

Edited on Sep 16, 2025 6:54pm
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