Originally posted by: Boilerman
And Mister has no ability to find Chicago public school SAT scores and spending per student.
But that was only half of your equation, wasn't it?
If you're not going to start telling the truth at least start telling better lies.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
Boilerman is presenting you with middle class suburbia in a town of 30k people compared to all of the Chicago Metro area. and you can do with that what you want. My IQ isn't low enough to play.
if you want to look at cumulative data at the state level you can visit this link. Take note of the government party ruling the states at top and bottom.
https://wallethub.com/edu/e/states-with-the-best-schools/5335
Nope. Not metro Chicago. That would include my childhood town and other suburbs. Those suburbs are conservative sensible towns who spend far less than metro chicago. Kids still learn where I grew up.
Originally posted by: Boilerman
Nope. Not metro Chicago. That would include my childhood town and other suburbs. Those suburbs are conservative sensible towns who spend far less than metro chicago. Kids still learn where I grew up.
Nice Liberal misdirection PJ. You didn't provide average SAT scores but instead some fluff peace. The interested reader can simply Google "average SAT scores by state to learn the truth.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
Boilerman is presenting you with middle class suburbia in a town of 30k people compared to all of the Chicago Metro area. and you can do with that what you want. My IQ isn't low enough to play.
if you want to look at cumulative data at the state level you can visit this link. Take note of the government party ruling the states at top and bottom.
https://wallethub.com/edu/e/states-with-the-best-schools/5335
PJ tells us suburbia equals good schools and urban equals bad schools. He is correct. Who are running these schools?
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
You don't have even the vaguest idea what you're talking about, do you? There is no such thing as "mean average." Mean and average are two separate stats for a data set.
The average combined score for Indiana in 2024 so far is 971. An average of 1200 for a given community would place that community in the top 7%. If we're talking about a white, upper middle class suburban town, I suppose that's possible. But any place that lets Boiler live there must be overall quite a bit dumber than average, so I'm skeptical.
Kevin has never taken a statistics class...telling us there is no such thing as mean average.
Comprehensive data at the state level is "liberal misidrection" compared to your cherry picked school districts? Thanks for lowering the IQ of this already retarded thread.
But if someone wants to waste 20 minutes of their life I bet they can find a cherry picked school district somewhere in the state if Illinois that does better compared to Boilerman's cherry picked school district in Indiana. Have at it.
Data doesnt lie. States that invest in education get better educated students and hence higher paying jobs for those educated students. Thats why Silicon Valley is in California and not MIssissippi.
Originally posted by: Boilerman
Kevin has never taken a statistics class...telling us there is no such thing as mean average.
There isn't. With certain data sets, the two numbers can be the same. But they're different measures, and combining the two terms is as STOOOOOPID as referring to the weather as "temperature velocity."
I invite Boilerboob to provide an academic source defining his made-up term, "mean average."
There is such a thing as "Mean average" ...but its almost always considered a bad way to gather data. A "weighted average" is more accurate.
Example : School district "A" has 100 students with an average score of 1000
Schoold district "B" has 500 students with an average score of 800
The mean average would be 900....which is the average if the two scores regardless of the number of students
The weighted average would be 833 - which takes into account that school district "B" has more students
Boilerman used a suburban middle class school distirct with a few thousand students and compared it to an inner city schoold district with 30x as many students. And like I said - you can do with that what you want. My IQ isnt low enough.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
There is such a thing as "Mean average" ...but its almost always considered a bad way to gather data. A "weighted average" is more accurate.
Example : School district "A" has 100 students with an average score of 1000
Schoold district "B" has 500 students with an average score of 800
The mean average would be 900....which is the average if the two scores regardless of the number of students
The weighted average would be 833 - which takes into account that school district "B" has more students
Boilerman used a suburban middle class school distirct with a few thousand students and compared it to an inner city schoold district with 30x as many students. And like I said - you can do with that what you want. My IQ isnt low enough.
Right---but not for two data sets, which is what Boiler was Boilerbabbling about. A "mean average" would be the midpoint of a meta-set of averages of independent data sets. Since Boiler was comparing, or pretending to compare, two data sets, the concept of a mean is meaningless...there is no such thing as the "mean" of only two data points.
To be fair to Boiler--something he doesn't deserve--a weighted average wouldn't speak to the foolhard point he was trying to make, which is that students in his imaginary Indiana town receive better educations than students in Chicago. That Chicago has several hundred more data points than his Indiana town doesn't necessarily invalidate the comparison. If you "weight" two widely disparate data sets on the criterion of sample size, it reduces the smaller set to the status of background noise.
If we wanted to continue this ludicrous Boilerboob discussion--which we don't--we can find a whole raft of cities with Republican administrations (and voters) and compare their students' performance to that of students in any middle-class suburb--red or blue--and we'd get the same differences--since the determining factor is not political ideology, but poverty vs. affluence. (DUH.)
Louisiana has the highest SAT scores in America. Louisiana is not ranked highly in PJ'S fluff scoring system. You learn or you don't learn. SAT is the measurement that Liberals are working hard to eliminate.
