Congratulations To Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez For Her Upset Victory

PJ wrote: "DonDiego should understand the "socialist" program of Medicare works exactly the same way.   The government doles out checks to private sector doctors, drug companies, and healthcare manufacturers."

 

Medicare is government forced healthcare insurance. More than 10% of my Social Security Retirement (that I also already paid for) income is taken from my monthly benefit. The government takes my money to pay for private sector healthcare. I paid into Medicare for many years before I was ever able to use it. 

Originally posted by: Mark

Why not Make America more like Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Canada, England, France and so on? Socialism would have never come to Venezuela, but for the collapse of capitalism in that country. Socialism failed in Venezuela largely because they were a one trick pony dependant on oil revenues.  I note the economies of many states in the U.S. that were one trick ponies also failed despite their capitalistic system. 


The economy was both stronger and much more stable before Hugo took charge. Same with Cuba before Castro took over. That IS pure socialism.

Also, socialist healthcare in Canada and England is a nightmare. Countries with populations smaller than a number of American cities can get away with such financial experiments. For a while.

 

I'm becoming more convinced on a daily basis that Ocasio-Cortez's real goal and purpose is to make Sanders look sane.


Mark wrote: "I have never objected to mom and pop capitalism like the tradesmen you discussed and neither does Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. In fact, prior to running for office, she advocated for small mom and pop type businesses."

 

Yeah. She advocated for LOWER taxes on businesses when she had one. 

Originally posted by: Mark

Sigh, Don Diego doesn't understand American economic history, and it appears he doesn't want to because it doesn't conform to his preconceived notions. Sure there was what we would call today some small-scale capitalism conducted by tradesmen. It wasn't called capitalism because that term didn't exist back then. The term capitalism wasn't used until 1854.  So the idea that the country was founded upon or that we have always had a capitalistic system is ludicrous.  The economic history lesson I provided above shows that we had some very distinct economic systems depending on the time and the region of the country which can't be classified as capitalistic.

 

I have never objected to mom and pop capitalism like the tradesmen you discussed and neither does Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. In fact, prior to running for office, she advocated for small mom and pop type businesses. 

 

My problem is with the perverted form of capitalism we practice in this country where losses of big business are subsidized by the taxpayer but all profits are privatized. The banking industry, the airline industry, the automobile industry, the defense industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the oil and natural gas industry, the firearms industry, big box retailing and many others are run like this with the taxpayers providing massive subsidies, shields from liability were the taxpayers end up paying the actual cost of the product, and outright bailouts when the industry fails often through the results of deregulation and or monopolies in certain industries.  

 

It is an absolute perversion that it costs the American taxpayer around 4 million dollars a year for each Wal-Mart operating across the country. 

 

It is absolutely sick that rightwing activist judges have granted corporations the right to free speech and even the absolutely bizarre right where for-profit corporations with hundreds of thousands of shareholders have "sincerely held religious beliefs" that exempt them from following practically any law they want as it relates to their employees. It is disgusting that freeloading welfare queen corporations can set up their corporate headquarters in a low tax country by simply renting a PO there and avoid their obligations to this country all the while taking massive handouts from the taxpayers.

 

I have read the constitution quite a few times and I have never come across the term corporation or corporate rights. From my Jefferson quote above, it should be obvious the founders knew what corporations were and chose not to include them in that document. 

 

The sick form of capitalism we currently practice in this country is more akin to the fascist states of Nazi Germany and Mussolini's Italy where the government regularly fornicated with big business to the detriment of the people. 

 

If objecting to this perversion makes me a socialist so be it.


I don't recall you decrying the government bailouts Øbama gave away. That was actually taking taxpayer money and giving it to large corporations. 

 

One thing that liberals prove day in and day out is, they believe all money made belongs to the government. Many of the "subsidies" you hate are actually letting businesses keep more capital that they make.

 

You're not just a socialist, you are a Marxist socialist.

I would like to see some context to mark’s claims 

Originally posted by: tom

I would like to see some context to mark’s claims 


Which claims would you like to see context to?

All of them 

Originally posted by: Bob Orme

Also, socialist healthcare in Canada and England is a nightmare. Countries with populations smaller than a number of American cities can get away with such financial experiments. For a while.

 


People in Canada and UK disagree.    And you wont find many people in those countries that would swap out their system with ours that costs twice as much and then requires out of pocket payments on top of the insurance.   

 

Insured people dont go bankrupt with medical bills in Canada.   Thats a nice feature.

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