Congratulations To Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez For Her Upset Victory

Originally posted by: Bob Orme

PJ wrote: "DonDiego should understand the "socialist" program of Medicare works exactly the same way.   The government doles out checks to private sector doctors, drug companies, and healthcare manufacturers."

 

Medicare is government forced healthcare insurance. More than 10% of my Social Security Retirement (that I also already paid for) income is taken from my monthly benefit. The government takes my money to pay for private sector healthcare. I paid into Medicare for many years before I was ever able to use it. 


Thats because its not a profitable endeavor to medically insure senior citizens in the "free market"....and thats why there was no private sector insurance for senior citizens before Medicare.    Your premiums at age 40 are whats paying for your care today - and thats how it was designed.   

"thats why there was no private sector insurance for senior citizens before Medicare."    

 

Prior to the laws passage 60% of seniors had insurance

Originally posted by: tom

"thats why there was no private sector insurance for senior citizens before Medicare."    

 

Prior to the laws passage 60% of seniors had insurance


What premium would a 70-year-old have to be charged a month today to support a private for-profit policy? 5k a month? 10k? 15k? Or more?

In the liberal socialistic society that PJ and Mark long for, the under 30 generation should be paying for the over 30 generations healthcare, oh wait a minute- isn't that Obeyme care? 


Originally posted by: David Miller

In the liberal socialistic society that PJ and Mark long for, the under 30 generation should be paying for the over 30 generations healthcare, oh wait a minute- isn't that Obeyme care? 


Yes - that was a big part of  Obamacare .... and Medicare too.   But both yourself and Trump have said you dont believe in mandating healthy people be in the insurance market.    Somehow you think a higher percentage of sick people in the insurance market will result in lower premiums.     Or maybe you just dont think at all.

 

Regardless - the insurance companies have said premiums will skyrocket next year and they owe it directly to the removal of the individual mandate.     Congratulations on your awesome Obamacare replacement.

 

 

 

 

 

Congratulations on you always twisting the truth - and your past endorsement of your Daddy's Obamacare - or did you forget that?  And how have you enjoyed your ever esculating health insurance premiums since Obeymecare was enacted?  I guess you will find a way to blame President Trump for that. If you want a replacement for Obeymecare then get the treasonous Democrats you love to sit down and work out a fair health insurance program that all Americans can live with and afford.

Health insurance premiums escalalated at lower paces than ever under Obamacare.   

 

You elected Trump on "something better" without demanding to see the details..... and now you've got  Obamacare minus the primary thing that pays for it.     And now you get to defend the nanny state deficit that is in its place.    And you are .   because you are a shameless hypocrite.

 

 

You got Obeyme care without the act being read. Let me repeat that - no one fully understood Obeymecare before it was enacted. Got it?-- "Esculated at lower paces" - what? Just what does that mean? My old premiun was $100 a month and went up 5%. My new premiun of $300 a month went up 4%. Which is higher?  Do you ever tell the whole truth or just cherry pick from a menu of lies and half truths? -- "Nanny state deficit"- what a joke. To be more specific - read about the government spending your Daddy did while in office -while dictating how we Americans spend our money. You apparently live in a world totally without reason or responsibility.

DonDiego has just come to a new understanding.    Although the topic here is the primary victory of Ms. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez ,a self-described "Socialist", and discussions pertaining to Socialism, . . . some posters do not understand the meaning of Socialism.

 

Socialism :  any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods [from Merriam-Webster online]

 

So, . . . f'rinstance, . . . Medicare is not "socialism".  The Government of the United States does not own the hospitals or physicians' offices;  the doctors and nurses are not Government employees;  and for the most part these assets are privately owned.

 

What it is is a medical insurance scheme run by the Government.  All the Government does is collect taxes and distribute the money to the medical service providers.  This requires Government administrative personnel, but they do not provide the actual services.  Of course they don't work for nothing either.

 

[On the other hand, f'rinstance, the Veterans' Hospitals are Government-owned and Government-operated.  This is Socialism in action.  DonDiego recalls many sad tales of inadequate treatment of veterans within these facilities.  Indeed this is Socialism in action.]

 

 

Social Security is an Old Age Pension Program run by the Government.  This is more nearly "Socialism" because there are no "providers" providing a service, . . . the service is just to collect money from citizens' paying the Social Security taxes and disburse money to recipients receiving their Social Security checks.  So all the "employees" are pretty much Government employees, . . . although it doesn't involve production of goods and services, it pr'bly falls within the definition.

 

As with many "socialist" programs Social Security is on a path to eventual insolvency unless benefits are reduced or payments increased.  Elected Government Representatives are fearful of doing either.  Indeed, this is Socialism in action.

 

 

Referring to a not-so-long-ago post, . . .

 

So, . . . if indeed those who built the wharves and roads after the founding of the United States were private citizens contracted to perform those services by the Government, Socialists did not build them;  it was just Government buying facilities for public use from capitalists, . . . pretty much as it is done today - think Raytheon providing missile defense systems.

 

If the Government, indeed, owned and operated these facilities [i]that[/i] would be socialism.

 

On the other hand, if those who built the facilities were private citizens and as was often the case in post-Colonial days, such facilities were owned by private citizens or corporations - think private toll roads - it had nothing to do with the Government.  It was capitalism.

 

 

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Thats because its not a profitable endeavor to medically insure senior citizens in the "free market"....and thats why there was no private sector insurance for senior citizens before Medicare.    Your premiums at age 40 are whats paying for your care today - and thats how it was designed.   


Given that my "care today" consists of 2 or 3 office visits a year for a prescription for a drug that I've been using for 50 years, my premiums today are still mostly paying for "future" care. I was a cash customer prior to the ACA, at a cost per office visit that was less than half the amount Medicare takes from my monthly SSR benefit. In my case, it is profitable to Medicare to provide my senior citizen insurance in the "free market".

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