DemocRATs ant the Funding of ICE

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Well, how 'bout restricting them to the functions in their job title? Immigration and customs. Let them man the border, and if the Turd wants to track down illegals, let the states do that. 

 

The thing is, ICE doesn't bother to verify their "intel" before they bash someone's door down or shoot up their car. They're neither properly trained nor psychologically able to handle confrontations. Furthermore, quelling protests is NOT, repeat NOT their function or duty. If a public assembly gets out of hand, it's the job of local and state police to deal with it.

 

But as far as diverting money away from them ..no way. Congress passed the Big Turd Bill and nothing's going to change. They're servile lackeys to the Turd and would NEVER defund his pet goons. And if we transition to an actual Democratic government instead of this sham Republican one, the problem will be moot.


Restricting them to their job titles is exactly the goal of what I was saying. They should only be funded for their essential duties.

 

Restricting them by rules or laws isn't enough. Restrict them with a tight budget also. If they have the extra money they'll find a way to spend it and it will often be in a way that's detrimental to people's rights and freedoms. 

 

Maybe if we make mission creep unaffordable we can help prevent it or at least slow it down. 

 

Different administration or leadership is only a temporary fix. What happens 4 - 8 years later? A restricted budget can slow mission creep permanently. 

 

I don't expect this from the current Congress but with a little luck maybe after the midterms. 

 

 

 

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

Restricting them to their job titles is exactly the goal of what I was saying. They should only be funded for their essential duties.

 

Restricting them by rules or laws isn't enough. Restrict them with a tight budget also. If they have the extra money they'll find a way to spend it and it will often be in a way that's detrimental to people's rights and freedoms. 

 

Maybe if we make mission creep unaffordable we can help prevent it or at least slow it down. 

 

Different administration or leadership is only a temporary fix. What happens 4 - 8 years later? A restricted budget can slow mission creep permanently. 

 

I don't expect this from the current Congress but with a little luck maybe after the midterms. 

 

 

 


Since the budget is reset every year, any such solution would be temporary and could only be implemented with Democrat control of Congress and the White House --and it could all be undone if Republican fascism returned.

 

The people need to take over. Capture fifty ICE agents in the process of raids or shooting protestors. Boil ten of them alive. Skin alive ten more. Feed ten more to starving leopards. Dissolve ten of them in acid. Then execute the remaining goons by firing squad--but slowly, with dozens of non-fatal shots to the arms, legs, etc.

 

Crucifixion would be an attractive option as well.

 

Broadcast it all on live primetime TV. Take bets on who lasts longest, who the leopards go for first, that sort of thing. Donate all the profits to the families of those murdered by Trump's thugs.

 

Then a million people should march on the White House, capture the orange motherfucker, and simply rip him to pieces. No trial. No nothing. Just kill him.

 

While all that may seem a bit, um, drastic, I think you'd agree that our noble system of checks and balances has failed utterly and that the rule of law is circling the drain. The courts are an ineffectual joke. And all the idiots who voted for Trump are still out there, breathing our air. It's time for a revolution. A nice, violent, bloody, vengeful, atrocity-filled revolution.

 

When government officials are gunning people down in the streets, the time for nice-nice has passed. And with Republican fascists in complete control of the government, it's hopeless to think we can reclaim it by democratic means.

Restricting them to their job titles is exactly the goal of what I was saying. They should only be funded for their essential duties.

 

Here is what their duties are.  Note the phrase "enforce immigration law"

 

The United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a federal law enforcement agency under the United States Department of Homeland Security. Its stated mission is to conduct criminal investigations, enforce immigration laws, preserve national security, and protect public safety.

 

Note the phrase "enforcement and removal"  Since the biden gang let millions of illegals be released into the interior of the country the BP and ICE have no choice but to go into the interior of the country to go remove them.

 

ICE has two primary and distinct law enforcement components: Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and Enforcement and Removal Operations

 

Local govt has to follow all the laws, not the ones they feel like

Originally posted by: tom

Restricting them to their job titles is exactly the goal of what I was saying. They should only be funded for their essential duties.

 

Here is what their duties are.  Note the phrase "enforce immigration law"

 

The United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is a federal law enforcement agency under the United States Department of Homeland Security. Its stated mission is to conduct criminal investigations, enforce immigration laws, preserve national security, and protect public safety.

 

Note the phrase "enforcement and removal"  Since the biden gang let millions of illegals be released into the interior of the country the BP and ICE have no choice but to go into the interior of the country to go remove them.

 

ICE has two primary and distinct law enforcement components: Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and Enforcement and Removal Operations

 

Local govt has to follow all the laws, not the ones they feel like


I never said I don't want them to enforce immigration law. I never said I don't want them to deport violators of immigration law. 

 

I never said I supported Biden's immigration policies. 


Restricting them to their job titles is exactly the goal of what I was saying. They should only be funded for their essential duties.

 

You said you wanted to restrict them to their job titles & I pointted out removing illegals is their job.  They are doing what their charter tells them to do

Is shooting civilians part of their essential duties?  What about illegally detaining and racial profiling US citizens based upon how they look ?  

Originally posted by: tom

Restricting them to their job titles is exactly the goal of what I was saying. They should only be funded for their essential duties.

 

You said you wanted to restrict them to their job titles & I pointted out removing illegals is their job.  They are doing what their charter tells them to do


If they would stick to "removing illegals," then no one would have any problems with them. They are NOT supposed to be policing protests. They are NOT supposed to just scoop up brown people at random. And they are NOT supposed to violate anyone's civil rights. Their charter tells them to enforce immigration and customs law. How were the most recent two people they killed violating either?

 

I know you think that ILLEGULS have no civil rights. ICE thinks so, too. 

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

I never said I don't want them to enforce immigration law. I never said I don't want them to deport violators of immigration law. 

 

I never said I supported Biden's immigration policies. 


Keep in mind that Tom still has a raging case of Biden Delusion Syndrome. During Biden's term, Tom's Bleat About Biden posts were a daily feature here.

Is shooting civilians part of their essential duties?

 

If someone attempts to run them over or shoot them - YES!

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/us-marshal-illegal-immigrant-shot-during-los-angeles-ice-operation/ar-AA1OUwm1

 

What about illegally detaining and racial profiling US citizens based upon how they look ?

 

Criminal suspects are detained all the time.  If a black person is described at a crime scene the police aren't going to detain a white person.

 

 

Originally posted by: tom

Is shooting civilians part of their essential duties?

 

If someone attempts to run them over or shoot them - YES!

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/us-marshal-illegal-immigrant-shot-during-los-angeles-ice-operation/ar-AA1OUwm1

 

What about illegally detaining and racial profiling US citizens based upon how they look ?

 

Criminal suspects are detained all the time.  If a black person is described at a crime scene the police aren't going to detain a white person.

 

 


Good God, Tom, you're a full-blown fascist. Are you saying that if a brown person is a crime suspect, then the cops can scoop up and drag away every brown person they see?

 

I do realize that it used to be that way, with for instance, the crime of Driving While Black leading to tens of thousands of arrests. Makes you long for the good old days, eh?

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