Dems make the right call in Tay-ucks-ass

Originally posted by: tom

But does this chart include the extra taxes people pay for their national care system.


Yes.

 

Its the sum total of healthcare expenses of the country measured by GDP divided by the population.

It doesnt care how its paid for.   Its not measuring payment.   Its measuring cost.

 

It costs half as much money in Europe/Canada to get the same healthcare we get here.    The socialists did it better.    Someday Trump or FOX news will concurr and then you can see that truth too.   Trump has already started.

Originally posted by: tom

Everyone in France receives thorough coverage

 

With all the taxes they pay 96% have private insurance.

https://www.franceassureurs.fr/wp-content/uploads/250916__franceassureurs_depliant-insurance-in-france_screen_a4.pdf

 

In France, approximately 96% of the population holds a complementary health insurance (CHI), which is a private insurance policy that provides partial reimbursement for out-of-pocket expenses not covered by the public health insurance system. This indicates a significant level of private insurance coverage among French households.

 

The US is WORSE, as shown by poor life expectancy despite costs that are double those of France

 

Life expectancy is not a good stat for health care.

 

In the US there are more obesity, murders, suicides and auto deaths, none of which have anything to do with health care.

 

Cancer survival rates for the US exceed Europe which is a better indicator of care

 

How about ER wait time.  The US is #1 at 24 minutes. Canada & Britain is 2 hours and France is 2.5 hours.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/health-care-wait-times-by-country


"Life expectancy is not a good stat for health care "

 

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That's the single stupidest thing Tom has ever said! And that's really saying something!

Originally posted by: tom

But does this chart include the extra taxes people pay for their national care system.


"Extra"? How so?

 

Our health care system is supported by taxation. So is theirs.

 

We pay lower taxes, but we spend FAR more out of pocket for health care. The result is that the US spends twice as much on health care as anyone else does. Those higher taxes in Europe are more than offset--MUCH more--by far lower out of pocket costs. And yes yes yes, stupid little Tom, some Europeans buy private health insurance. 

 

No matter how much Tom and his kind try to dance around this fact, we pay twice what everyone else does for health care.

 

But we have the money to drop boomity booms on Iran, so I guess that's OK.

 

Meanwhile back in the USA .  The cost works out to $11,600 per adult 

 

Vermont tried to do this and gave up

 

Meanwhile, California State Assemblyman Ash Kalra, D-San Jose, has reintroduced legislation to create “CalCare” — a bid to bulldoze private health insurance and replace it with a state-run health insurance monopoly.

 

The California Legislative Analyst’s Office previously pegged the annual cost of CalCare at up to $552 billion — more than the entire state budget. Even the sunnier projections run into the hundreds of billions of dollars.

Edited on Mar 5, 2026 2:31pm

Originally posted by: tom

 

Meanwhile back in the USA .  The cost works out to $11,600 per adult 

 

Meanwhile, California State Assemblyman Ash Kalra, D-San Jose, has reintroduced legislation to create “CalCare” — a bid to bulldoze private health insurance and replace it with a state-run health insurance monopoly.

 

The California Legislative Analyst’s Office previously pegged the annual cost of CalCare at up to $552 billion — more than the entire state budget. Even the sunnier projections run into the hundreds of billions of dollars.


What does that have to do with the cost of healthcare in the US vs. that in Europe and Canada?

 

You should learn that Tom-stats mean less than nothing. We've learned that you mean less than nothing.

Originally posted by: tom

Everyone in France receives thorough coverage

 

With all the taxes they pay 96% have private insurance.

https://www.franceassureurs.fr/wp-content/uploads/250916__franceassureurs_depliant-insurance-in-france_screen_a4.pdf

 

In France, approximately 96% of the population holds a complementary health insurance (CHI), which is a private insurance policy that provides partial reimbursement for out-of-pocket expenses not covered by the public health insurance system. This indicates a significant level of private insurance coverage among French households.

 

The US is WORSE, as shown by poor life expectancy despite costs that are double those of France

 

Life expectancy is not a good stat for health care.

 

In the US there are more obesity, murders, suicides and auto deaths, none of which have anything to do with health care.

 

Cancer survival rates for the US exceed Europe which is a better indicator of care

 

How about ER wait time.  The US is #1 at 24 minutes. Canada & Britain is 2 hours and France is 2.5 hours.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/health-care-wait-times-by-country


"In the US there are more obesity, murders, suicides and auto deaths, none of which has anything to do with health care."

 

Tom, how is obesity NOT a health care issue?  Ever heard of type 2 diabetes?    I'd also say that suicide has something to do with health care as well. 

Originally posted by: Edso

"In the US there are more obesity, murders, suicides and auto deaths, none of which has anything to do with health care."

 

Tom, how is obesity NOT a health care issue?  Ever heard of type 2 diabetes?    I'd also say that suicide has something to do with health care as well. 


Tom's a moron overall, but no more so then when he tries to defend a stupid assertion.

 

Obesity is a health care issue...duh! Suicide is a health care issue...duh! "Auto deaths" is not a health care issue because when your auto dies, it's a AAA issue. But auto ACCIDENT deaths are definitely a health care issue, because the quality of care an accident victim receives may determine whether they live or die. Similarly, the availability and quality of health care may determine whether an attempted murder ends up being a murder.

 

So stupid Tom's completely correct, other than being utterly wrong four out of four times.

Originally posted by: tom

 

Meanwhile back in the USA .  The cost works out to $11,600 per adult 

 

Vermont tried to do this and gave up

 

Meanwhile, California State Assemblyman Ash Kalra, D-San Jose, has reintroduced legislation to create “CalCare” — a bid to bulldoze private health insurance and replace it with a state-run health insurance monopoly.

 

The California Legislative Analyst’s Office previously pegged the annual cost of CalCare at up to $552 billion — more than the entire state budget. Even the sunnier projections run into the hundreds of billions of dollars.


Private Health Insurance is only one of about a hundred variables that make our healthcare more expensive than Canada or France.     But considering 20% of their revenue goes to shareholders and not healthcare its an obvious difference.     

 

Only in the US does twenty cents of every dollar you pay for premiums go to dividends, share buybacks and executive bonuses.      So nevermind the drug companies non-negotiated prices....or the PBM's...or the variable provider pricing...or a hundred other variables.      Non-profit insurance by itself would save 20%

     

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Private Health Insurance is only one of about a hundred variables that make our healthcare more expensive than Canada or France.     But considering 20% of their revenue goes to shareholders and not healthcare its an obvious difference.     

 

Only in the US does twenty cents of every dollar you pay for premiums go to dividends, share buybacks and executive bonuses.      So nevermind the drug companies non-negotiated prices....or the PBM's...or the variable provider pricing...or a hundred other variables.      Non-profit insurance by itself would save 20%

     


Here's a parallel that Tom may be able to dimly comprehend.

 

How much does he think it would cost to mail a letter or a package if the USPS operated for profit?

 

Would Ebenezer Frump, who lives five miles west of Chicken Hollow, Kansas on Rural Road 47, get his mail delivered for free? Or at all?

 

And then imagine somebody says: hey, maybe the USPS shouldn't be tasked with making a profit. Maybe we should just charge whatever it costs to break even.

 

Lower prices for consumers, no? And no one would be denied mail service because it isn't profitable to serve them.

Originally posted by: Edso

"In the US there are more obesity, murders, suicides and auto deaths, none of which has anything to do with health care."

 

Tom, how is obesity NOT a health care issue?  Ever heard of type 2 diabetes?    I'd also say that suicide has something to do with health care as well. 


My point was the above have nothing to do with who provides the better health insurance but  Americans tendency to do stupid things.

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