"Department of War"-- any significance, or just more Trump-pig babble?

Trump has all but stated this is for conveying 'strength' (my word).   That DODefense conveys the US being the weaker state.   Geez.

 

A "declaration of war" is a formal notification between states that a condition of war exisits.  Must identify the enemy, the grievances, among other terms. 

 

As mentioned, only Congress can "declare war" after a formal request from the President.   Today, war can exist without a formal declaration.  Following the Korean War, various 'authorizations' exist for deployments for military puroses.

 

 AUMF, Authorizations for Use of Military Force.   AUMFs by Congress were used for US involvement in:

 

      *War in Vietnam (undeclared conflict authorized by Congress through the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution of 1964, giving LBJ authority to take military action).  

 

      *War in Afghanistan. Military action following 9/11.  Bush. No formal declaration.

      *War in Iraq.  US lead invasion Operation Iraqi Freedom, Bush, concern over WMDs and terrorism.  No formal declaration.

 

Before those:

 

       *Korean War . No formal declaration.  UN authorized Truman this "police action" to bypass need for Congressional declaration of war.  **This set the framework for avoiding the legal and political implications of a formal declaration of war.

 

The last formal declaration was by FDR after Pearl Harbor attack by Japan, entered the US into WWII (already in motion among countries).

 

I didn't make any of this up, just looked it up. 

 

But we all know all those wars and police actions and conflicts extended more significantly in length and loss of life than bargained for at their initiation, all in the name of "protection" of somebody.  JMHO.

 

Candy

 

Edited on Sep 6, 2025 11:28am

I don't want the United States to fight any wars, but when the Germany's and the Japan's of the world pick a fight with us, we need to win.  We can't win a war today with our pussified policies.  80 years since a win.  To win a war we need to do exactly what Israel is doing.  You don't feed the enemy, you don't aid the enemy, you defeat the enemy.

 

Edso, how much is the name change costing the US?

Edited on Sep 6, 2025 11:39am
Originally posted by: tom

China, North Korea, Iran, Russia

 

They have been allied since the biden gang was around.

 

pj probably hasn't noticed that N korea has been sending trrops to help the Russians since biden was president.  China & Iran have been sending weapons to Russia.  China & India have been buying Russian oil to keep the Russian economy alive.  The indian tariffs were put in to stop India from buying Russian oil.

 

All under biden.

 

Liberals feel bad the US blew up the Iranian nuke bomb facilities.

 

This never would have happened with Kamala Harris.

 

Can you imagine what these hardliners would have thought when meeting harris she went into one of her giggling fits.

 

And pj always ignores that biden ducked the draft

 

Lifeguard/ record breaking football player Joe Biden got five draft deferments for asthma during Vietnam,


Joe Biden didnt spend his tenure sucking up to war criminal, Vladimir Putin and Authoritarian thug, Xi Jing Putz.

He knew better.   And he knew enough to stand up against Russia in Ukraine instead of exchanging gifts with the Russian thug.

 

India was suppossed to be our ally that was going to be a counterweight to China in Asian power.    But Trump chased them away with his massive 50% tarriffs.   So now the two largest populations on earth have joined hands in an alliance against the United States.    Well played, moron.   

 

Trump's new Department of War will keep sending flower baskets to the World's thugs and while scaring away our Democratic allies.    

 

But to his credit - he sank a canoe of the coast of Venezeula this past week.   I dont think it was legal but since when does that matter.   

Originally posted by: Boilerman

I don't want the United States to fight any wars, but when the Germany's and the Japan's of the world pick a fight with us, we need to win.  We can't win a war today with our pussified policies.  80 years since a win.  To win a war we need to do exactly what Israel is doing.  You don't feed the enemy, you don't aid the enemy, you defeat the enemy.

 

Edso, how much is the name change costing the US?


A truly successful nation stays out of wars and when another nation "picks a fight," resolves the situation without killing and destruction. War should be a last resort; war is the failure of diplomacy.

 

You can do the American Gorilla dance and thump your chest while grunting about how great war is, but you wouldn't be so blithe about it if you had actually suffered from its effects. Yeah, we were the Big Bad Winners of WWII. But it cost us a third of a million lives and trillions of dollars. I think the families and friends of the dead didn't think of it as a "win."


Originally posted by: Boilerman

I don't want the United States to fight any wars, but when the Germany's and the Japan's of the world pick a fight with us, we need to win.  We can't win a war today with our pussified policies.  80 years since a win.  To win a war we need to do exactly what Israel is doing.  You don't feed the enemy, you don't aid the enemy, you defeat the enemy.

 

Edso, how much is the name change costing the US?


A few publications are mentioning that it could be at least $1B, if not more.  Here's just one article mentioning what that entails.

 

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-department-of-war-executive-order-cost-b2821241.html

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

A truly successful nation stays out of wars and when another nation "picks a fight," resolves the situation without killing and destruction. War should be a last resort; war is the failure of diplomacy.

 

You can do the American Gorilla dance and thump your chest while grunting about how great war is, but you wouldn't be so blithe about it if you had actually suffered from its effects. Yeah, we were the Big Bad Winners of WWII. But it cost us a third of a million lives and trillions of dollars. I think the families and friends of the dead didn't think of it as a "win."


Kevin, how did your suggested policy work out for France, England, Poland and others?  My friend, who'll I'll be with in Laughlin two months from today, has a Polish mother with a Swastika on her birth certificate.

 

Kevin needs to bone up on his accounting and his history.

Originally posted by: Edso

A few publications are mentioning that it could be at least $1B, if not more.  Here's just one article mentioning what that entails.

 

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-department-of-war-executive-order-cost-b2821241.html


Did the same publications say that Trump's border policies wouldn't work?  How about his DC Guard policies?  I'll give you 95% odds.

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

Trump has all but stated this is for conveying 'strength' (my word).   That DODefense conveys the US being the weaker state.   Geez.

 

A "declaration of war" is a formal notification between states that a condition of war exisits.  Must identify the enemy, the grievances, among other terms. 

 

As mentioned, only Congress can "declare war" after a formal request from the President.   Today, war can exist without a formal declaration.  Following the Korean War, various 'authorizations' exist for deployments for military puroses.

 

 AUMF, Authorizations for Use of Military Force.   AUMFs by Congress were used for US involvement in:

 

      *War in Vietnam (undeclared conflict authorized by Congress through the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution of 1964, giving LBJ authority to take military action).  

 

      *War in Afghanistan. Military action following 9/11.  Bush. No formal declaration.

      *War in Iraq.  US lead invasion Operation Iraqi Freedom, Bush, concern over WMDs and terrorism.  No formal declaration.

 

Before those:

 

       *Korean War . No formal declaration.  UN authorized Truman this "police action" to bypass need for Congressional declaration of war.  **This set the framework for avoiding the legal and political implications of a formal declaration of war.

 

The last formal declaration was by FDR after Pearl Harbor attack by Japan, entered the US into WWII (already in motion among countries).

 

I didn't make any of this up, just looked it up. 

 

But we all know all those wars and police actions and conflicts extended more significantly in length and loss of life than bargained for at their initiation, all in the name of "protection" of somebody.  JMHO.

 

Candy

 


As you say, calling all the wars we've fought in the last 80 years something else is just a matter of semantics; the goal of which has been to elude laws, regulations, the Constitution, and other pesky limitations. The public has generally been fine with all that because the so-called "Greatest Generation" saw war as a noble and heroic undertaking that advanced the cause of freedom and democracy belch grunt snort.

 

But there's quite a large difference between (Department of) war and defense. The goal of the former is to start and wage war; the goal of the latter is to PREVENT it. The stupidity, evil, and frightening nature of Trump's announcement is that he's just told the world that he favors war over peace.

 

At the end of the 19th century, we ran out of territory to conquer and became essentially a mercantile nation. Ever since then, we've regarded war as an unpalatable necessity at best. We'd rather trade with other nations than bomb them or invade them. Now, it seems that that era is coming to a close. We're now the enemies of every nation in the world, except maybe Russia--we're their puppets.

 

Kind of ironic that we could have kept Western Germany, Italy, and Japan, dissolved what was left of their governments, and made them part of the US. We could have overwhelmed Russia with atomic weapons and made them an impoverished vassal state. We could have, as masters of the largest and most technicologivally advanced military on earth, dominated the globe. That's what Germany, Japan, or Russia would have done if the roles had been reversed. Instead, we spent immense blood and treasure to conquer our enemies' lands--snd then what did we do? We gave it all back! We're pretty shitty warmongers, historically speaking.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

Kevin, how did your suggested policy work out for France, England, Poland and others?  My friend, who'll I'll be with in Laughlin two months from today, has a Polish mother with a Swastika on her birth certificate.

 

Kevin needs to bone up on his accounting and his history.


My "suggested policy," you would have noticed if you had the literacy to actually read my post AND understand it, is that war should be avoided, because even the "winners" of wars suffer and die. There's nothing glorious or desirable about it.

 

You claim to know history. We stayed out of both European world wars until 2-3 years after they started. If war is so wonderful, why didn't we jump in immediately, to save Poland, France, etc. and keep England afloat?

 

But if you want an actual history lesson: Poland's horrible fate was sealed when Neville Chamberlain flew to Munich in 1938 and kissed Hitler's butt. What countries do you think will die because Trump met Putin in 2015, fell to his knees before him, and sucked his cock.

Kevin, we haven't won a war in 80 years.  Blather all that you like, but that's the truth.  Kevin, we couild conquer any nation on the globe if we wanted to.  That is not our goal.  That is the goal of China, of Russia, and of Islam.

 

Kevin, you never answed...how did your suggested policies work our for England, France, Poland, and others regarding Germany's agression?

Edited on Sep 6, 2025 12:40pm
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