DeSantis's crusade to make Florida dumber

Only in Florida--The Florida legislature, a dead-red ultra right-wing body of kookoo birds and conspiracy theorists, has partnered with Florida Man in a crusade to remove tenured professors who aren't Republican from Florida universities. There's a board of six people, all MAGAs, that has the power to remove any university professor's tenure and essentially, force him/her to quit. The head of that board said that his job was "to eliminate woke liberalism in our institutes of higher education."

 

So far, fifty professors have had theur tenure revoked and been forced to retire. This despite the fact that "tenure" is an agreement between professors and universities that their jobs are permanent.

 

Florida will slowly get even dumber as universities lose professors and can't get anyone to come there and teach. All because of some donkeys braying, "Wokw woke woke woke woke."

Weren't you just championing term limits for Supreme Court justices?

Originally posted by: Aaron

Weren't you just championing term limits for Supreme Court justices?


I don't recall saying that recently, but regardless, what does that have to do with professors' tenure? Supreme Court justices are nominated by the President and approved by the Senate--a public process by elected officials. University professors are privately hired and granted tenure in return for having taught at the same institution for many years.

 

Elected officials have no business interfering with the contracts between private citizens--professors, in this case--and their employers. And funny--aren't the Republipigs supposed to be against "BIG GUMMINT"? So they create a government-operated and government-funded commission to interfere with the operation of the state's universities. Do as we say, they say, not as we do! Your tax dollars at work!

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I don't recall saying that recently, but regardless, what does that have to do with professors' tenure? Supreme Court justices are nominated by the President and approved by the Senate--a public process by elected officials. University professors are privately hired and granted tenure in return for having taught at the same institution for many years.

 

Elected officials have no business interfering with the contracts between private citizens--professors, in this case--and their employers. And funny--aren't the Republipigs supposed to be against "BIG GUMMINT"? So they create a government-operated and government-funded commission to interfere with the operation of the state's universities. Do as we say, they say, not as we do! Your tax dollars at work!


Personally I think the whole tenured thing is BS, though it started with good intentions. And I might be convinced on term limits for SCOTUS with a good argument.

 

And yes, if you make a contract or an agreement, no matter how dumb it might be later, you should make good on it.  If these professors are being kicked out because of their views, no matter how radical or crazy, you get what you bought, don't make the same mistake on the next one.  I don't care how someone swings politically or sexually, it's part of our culture and diversity and what makes us Americans.  You do you, just stay away from the kids.


Originally posted by: Aaron

Personally I think the whole tenured thing is BS, though it started with good intentions. And I might be convinced on term limits for SCOTUS with a good argument.

 

And yes, if you make a contract or an agreement, no matter how dumb it might be later, you should make good on it.  If these professors are being kicked out because of their views, no matter how radical or crazy, you get what you bought, don't make the same mistake on the next one.  I don't care how someone swings politically or sexually, it's part of our culture and diversity and what makes us Americans.  You do you, just stay away from the kids.


They aren't being kicked out for being radical or crazy. They're being kicked out for NOT being radical or crazy, as in, not being MAGA. One professor was videoed criticizing Trump during a lecture. The video was forwarded to the "woke" board, which promptly killed his tenure. He was pressured to retire.

 

And I don't think it was a "mistake" to hire profs who didn't pass the MAGA purity test. After all, as you say, universities are supposed to be places of diverse thought, not ideological pressure cookers. Any university that insists on its profs being MAGAs isn't a university at all. (As would be the case if it insisted that they were all liberals.)

 

You might remark, well, 90% of college profs are liberals anyway. I'd say, that's their choice, the choice of those who employ them, and the choice of those who pay to attend their classes. It's a simple, proven fact that the smarter a person is, the more likely they are to be liberal. Universities are full of smart people. Q.E.D.

 

Just to remark on SCOTUS term limits--the FFs created lifetime SCOTUS appointments because they never DREAMED of any justices hanging around for three or four decades after they were appointed. It was supposed to be the ultimate reward for a long and storied career--something for the judge to bask in glory for the last few years of his life. The law was enacted back when average life expectancy was around 40. Now, it's 78. It's actually like when the Second Amendment was written--very carefully and specifically--, the FFs never imagined one human being being able to shoot and kill a hundred other human beings in ten seconds. So referring to the Second Amendment when discussing gun control is stupid--that Amendment, like the SCOTUS foundation, is grossly obsolete.

Your 2nd Amendment statement is stupid.  You probably think it was there for hunting when it was for stopping tyranny.

 

that said, the founders couldn't have imagined email and text messages, so I guess those are excluded from free speech and privacy in your convoluted reasoning.

Edited on Sep 25, 2024 3:58am

And please remember which play book the purging of dissenting university faculty comes from, and its historical examples.

Teaching in FLorida (and almost all red states) is a one way street to financial squalor.    They dont pay teachers for shit in red states.   The only remotely appealing feature is that you will one day achieve tenure and qualify for a pension which is peanuts but still gives some financial security in retirement.     

 

But if you now have to live in fear of your governor taking that away for punitive reasons regarding your political identity then the question needs to be asked.....why would any sane person want to be a teacher in Florida?   You get a better salary, job security and career path working at Wal*mart and you dont need to invest in a degree.

 

There's a reason why silicon valley is in San Jose and not Tampa.    It has a large population of educated students in a state that invests in making that happen.

Edited on Sep 25, 2024 7:40am

One professor was videoed criticizing Trump during a lecture.

 

As usual with kevin no proof of the above statement

 

Elected officials have no business interfering with the contracts between private citizens--professors, in this case--and their employers

 

The state of Florida is their employer, so the legislature has the right.

 

Politico reports that around 10 university faculty members in Florida have lost their jobs as part of a new law signed by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, requiring universities to review professors who have tenure every five years

 

What is wrong with requiring reviews of employees like every other job?

 

There are 24,400 professors in the Florida system, so 10 terminations represents only 0.005%.  Big Whoop

There's a reason why silicon valley is in San Jose and not Tampa.

 

Not quite the case anymore

https://tms-outsource.com/blog/posts/tech-companies-leaving-california/

 

And not a safe city

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/san-jose/crime

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