https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/democrats-seize-advantages-proposed-impeachment-rules
https://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/democrats-seize-advantages-proposed-impeachment-rules
Yes, I do. All I see on the Republican side are a bunch of clowns touting conspiracy theories. There hasn't been any effort to defend Trump's conduct at all. We also got that great new information where Trump asked Sondland about the investigations he wanted on their previously undisclosed phone call. Sweet!
"Ambassador Sondland responded that President Trump cares more about the investigations of Biden, which Giuliani was pressing for," Taylor said.
Does anyone believe that the Republicans are even remotely interested in the truth? They're running around in circles screaming at no one in particular and blurting out conspiracy theories gleaned from the alt-right.
Our Trumpers aren't interested in the truth, either. That truth is that they support a traitor and criminal. They don't want their faces to be rubbed in that shame.
Yes, the Republican plan is to avoid learning the truth at all costs. We want the full transcripts! Ok, we will release the full transcripts. We aren't going to read the Transcripts! We want public hearings! Ok, we will have public hearings. We don't want public hearings!
There is literally no defense of Trump's deeds being presented. It is all a bunch of nutter conspiracy theories. I disagree that they come from the Alt-right. As you can plainly see such conspiracy theories are mainstream thinking in the Republican party.
What rules? Definitions, yes. Processes? Who knows?
It will depend on what "truth" (or outcome) one expects. Like any time criminal charges are brought, it depends on the machinations of counsel and everyone else involved.
OJ was guilty of two murders, but counsel was able to insure that the jury could render a non-guilty verdict. The families won civil suits afterward, right? So, not guilty of committing the murders, but the murders occurred and the weight of evidence went for the families.
Truth changes.
"Our Trumpers aren't interested in the truth, either. That truth is that they support a traitor and criminal. They don't want their faces to be rubbed in that shame."
Because they don't care what the village idiot does.I've actually heard people say all they want is for their agenda to be pushed through,regardless of what he does.
Yes, I do !
Does anyone expect Republicans to rule on the content of the testimony vs petty arguments about Adam Schiff? No, I dont !
Boilerman inquires: "Does anyone believe that the impeachment rules are set up to gain the truth ?"
The objective of the ongoing impeachment is not to "gain the truth"; it is to remove a duly-elected President from office.
For historical precedents DonDiego refers the interested reader to investigate the term "show-trial".
show trial : a judicial trial held in public with the intention of influencing or satisfying public opinion, rather than of ensuring justice
or
show trial : a public trial in which the judicial authorities have already determined the guilt of the defendant
or
show trial: a trial (as of political opponents) in which the verdict is rigged and a public confession is often extracted
Historically show trials were once common in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany; also in the early days of the Peoples' Republic of China, less frequently now.
Even today they are found in somet Mid-Eastern countries.
And nowadays wikipedia includes:
United States Trump Impeachment
In November of 2019, the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives, in a party-line vote, authorized Representative Adam Schiff to lead an impeachment proceeding into the conduct of President Donald Trump. Due to the party-line nature of the vote, many have called the proceedings a "show trial".
Originally posted by: Candy Wright
What rules? Definitions, yes. Processes? Who knows?
It will depend on what "truth" (or outcome) one expects. Like any time criminal charges are brought, it depends on the machinations of counsel and everyone else involved.
OJ was guilty of two murders, but counsel was able to insure that the jury could render a non-guilty verdict. The families won civil suits afterward, right? So, not guilty of committing the murders, but the murders occurred and the weight of evidence went for the families.
Truth changes.
No. Not at all. Otherwise, it wouldn't be the truth in the first place. What changes is perceptions of the truth.
You might recall that many people (mostly Republicans) cried to the heavens that Richard Nixon had done nothing wrong...until they, uh, didn't. And yes, I keep going back to this, but tens of millions of Germans worshipped Hitler and wouldn't have dreamed of saying he was guilty of a crime...until they did.
We're past the stage where anyone can meaningfully argue about the substance of the call or calls, their intent and nature, and when they were made. Therefore, the truth isn't in question: it happened. Now, it's all about perception: is this bad enough that Trump should be removed from office?
Unfortunately, Republicans aren't even considering that question, because they don't want to face Morton's Fork: say it is bad enough, they anger "The Base," lose support, and get targeted by a Trump tweetstorm; say it's just fine and dandy, what's the problem, they expose themselves as unprincipled hypocrites (especially the ones who screamed about Hillary sending emails). So they're stuck.
Originally posted by: Don
Boilerman inquires: "Does anyone believe that the impeachment rules are set up to gain the truth ?"
The objective of the ongoing impeachment is not to "gain the truth"; it is to remove a duly-elected President from office.
For historical precedents DonDiego refers the interested reader to investigate the term "show-trial".
show trial : a judicial trial held in public with the intention of influencing or satisfying public opinion, rather than of ensuring justice
or
show trial : a public trial in which the judicial authorities have already determined the guilt of the defendant
or
show trial: a trial (as of political opponents) in which the verdict is rigged and a public confession is often extracted
Historically show trials were once common in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany; also in the early days of the Peoples' Republic of China, less frequently now.
Even today they are found in somet Mid-Eastern countries.
And nowadays wikipedia includes:
United States Trump Impeachment
In November of 2019, the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives, in a party-line vote, authorized Representative Adam Schiff to lead an impeachment proceeding into the conduct of President Donald Trump. Due to the party-line nature of the vote, many have called the proceedings a "show trial".
DonDiego shows his fundamental misunderstanding once again (sigh). The purpose of impeachment is to determine whether or not a "duly-elected" President should be removed from office. Every time in history an impeachment trial was conducted, the President was NOT removed from office.
DonDiego keeps using the term "duly-elected" as if it meant the same thing as "anointed by the Pope." The Constitution provides a means for "duly-elected" officials to be removed from office. Having been elected is not some kind of magical shield, and conducting an impeachment inquiry is perfectly legal and constitutional, despite the bleating of Republicans.
I am very disappointed that DonDiego has resorted to parroting Breitbart talking points rather than using his very competent intellect to honestly assess the situation.