Does anybody doubt Trump and Musk are crashing SS on purpose?

Originally posted by: tom

Lets break this down.  Estimates are that extra 85,000 extra people will have to go to SS offices annually.  There are almost 1,500 offices or 30 per state.  Divide 85,000by 52 weeks and then by 5 days you get an additional 326 people looking to come in on a daily basis, or less than 1 person per day per office. 

 

The Republic will survive.

 

Introducing internet verification would be a significant hardship to the 40 percent of Social Security beneficiaries who depend on the phone service. If they can’t use the internet system, they would also have to visit a physical location. Diaz’s own memo estimates that 75,000 to 85,000 people would have to visit Social Security offices under the new policy.


We'll certainly find out soon enough what level of hardship this brings and which parts of the country struggle most.   

 

I know they have targeted the office in downtown Indianapolis as one they want to close.      

Originally posted by: Nines

FDR signed it into law. Historically, the SS coffers have been raided and pilfered time after time by both parties, though. Nobody's innocent regarding the state of this government service/ provision..all have contributed over time.


Whoever put the SS into practice is most at fault.  History tells us that every government consumes all available funds.  Trump is attempting to end this.

Originally posted by: Nines

FDR signed it into law. Historically, the SS coffers have been raided and pilfered time after time by both parties, though. Nobody's innocent regarding the state of this government service/ provision..all have contributed over time.


It's a stupid piece of Boilerboob babble that he picked up from an idiot MAGA propaganda rag. The fact is, the funding for payouts is different from the funding for operations. So Elonshit is just making it harder to administer and dispense.

 

The massive cuts in amounts paid out are coming. Yay MAGA!!!

When SS was passed corporate management made 10X the salary of their average workers.     Starting in the 1980's government and corporations started to value investors and management more  than workers.   

Unions were demagogued and shut down.    And Worker salaries stagnated while executives went from making 10X worker salaries to now over 100X.

 

People were promised  that a rising tide lifts all boats.    That was a crock of shit.   Workers were lied to.   We've had 40 years transferring wealth from the working class to the elites.    And you can top it off today with Elon Musk's latest pay package at Tesla that compensates him close to 50 billion dollars.

 

Conclusion:   If the worker compensation ratio had stayed the same since the 1980's there would be no issue with the SS trust fund.      The people who fucked it over are now bitching about its insolvency.     Hopefully the working class wont listen to them this time around.


  PJ said it - The people who fucked it over are now bitching about its insolvency. -- DemocRats are complaining ad nauseam .....

Originally posted by: tom

Lets break this down.  Estimates are that extra 85,000 extra people will have to go to SS offices annually.  There are almost 1,500 offices or 30 per state.  Divide 85,000by 52 weeks and then by 5 days you get an additional 326 people looking to come in on a daily basis, or less than 1 person per day per office. 

 

The Republic will survive.

 

Introducing internet verification would be a significant hardship to the 40 percent of Social Security beneficiaries who depend on the phone service. If they can’t use the internet system, they would also have to visit a physical location. Diaz’s own memo estimates that 75,000 to 85,000 people would have to visit Social Security offices under the new policy.


SHame on me, Tom !    I should have known better than to take your word for anything.    Your 75k-85k is the impact PER WEEK.   Not PER YEAR as you falsely claim.   So you were off by about 97%.    

 

Its 75k to 85k per week

 

 

https://socialsecurityreport.org/more-than-7000-people-per-day-are-calling-ssa/

 

SS data shows that they receive 7,000 calls per day, but the idea of an extra 75,000 people having to go to a SS office per week seems fake.

In the 1980s it took 110 - 120 days for SS to make an initial ruling on a disability claim. Now it is 230 days and Elon and Trump think that is too efficient so they want to slow it down some more. 

 

Currently 30,000 people die a year while waiting for benefits that they earned during their working life. 


Currently staffing at SS is at a 50 year low when we have a historically high level of people reaching retirement age. Trump and Elon say who cares we can cut the workforce some more. 

 

Quit being such an awful human being Tom. More people will die waiting for benefits that they are owed and that is disgraceful. 

 

It isn't necessarily the SSA responsible for the length of time for a SSD application to be approved.  Three months is a quick turnaround.  Six months isn't bad.  Remember, the applicant is certifying that his illness (mental, physical, emotional) is such that he cannot perform the duties of the job he has/had and needs the SSD income to live on.  That is what SSD decides, not whether he/she can perform some other work. 

 

For one thing, doctors are loathe to filling out their part of the application.  Has to be detailed, including how the illness/injury affected his/her ability to do THIS job, and often a rejection is due to insufficient information from the doctor, AFTER the application has gone through a number of steps to reach the decision makers.  Generally doctors charge the patient for completion of these forms, as it takes up a lot of their time to look back through records, etc.

 

My brother is a retired MD, one of several in his office who do part time time work reviewing SSD applications for the medical part. 

 

The application comes to them with the patient's doctor's medical information.  They by no means are final decision makers yes or no.  From them it goes through other clinicians, and finally through an administrative judge for the final decision.  Again, if the info doesn't meet the criteria to deem the applicant disabled for SSD purposes, it is turned down or rejected or whatever.  It then is the applicant's [patient's] responsibility to return to his MD and request that it be completed again with more or more precise information.  This can actually take years.

 

My brother said that he gives the ones he is given to review his best effort.  He would like to just say yes and pass on them all, but he is sworn not to do that and he wouldn't anyway. 

 

 

Originally posted by: Mark

So they can privatize it and make the oligarchs a lot richer? Nutlicker gave away the plan when he said his 95 year-old parent of a Billionaire wouldn't miss a SS check and that anybody that couldn't do without missing a month of their SS check is a fraudster.  


How are they going to change things?

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