Originally posted by: Boilerman
Democrat politicians make claims with zero proof that SS will be cut. You guys know that there is no proof, yet you parrot the liars. When you've got nothing, you just make shit up. Why am I not surprised?
SS might not be cut; the Turd could croak and Vance could be eaten by a Haitian immigrant.
Originally posted by: Boilerman
Democrat politicians make claims with zero proof that SS will be cut. You guys know that there is no proof, yet you parrot the liars. When you've got nothing, you just make shit up. Why am I not surprised?
No - thats DOGE's claim.
By their own admission the 2 trillion in savings can not be achieved without cutting entitlement programs.
Kuto's to them for admitting the math. Blutos to them for lying about their efforts.
They were hoping they could find enough waste/fraud/abuse to reconcile their upcoming tax cut for billionaires bill. They didnt. And they now know if they do their own voters wont stand for it.
So, Boilerman, get ready for your new list of talking points. They are the same ones Bush and first term Trump gave you. Deficits dont matter. Wait - thats not correct. They do matter. But only when a democrat is in the White House. Otherwise they dont matter. Its kinda like Tom's rules for complaing about golf.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
No - thats DOGE's claim.
By their own admission the 2 trillion in savings can not be achieved without cutting entitlement programs.
Kuto's to them for admitting the math. Blutos to them for lying about their efforts.
They were hoping they could find enough waste/fraud/abuse to reconcile their upcoming tax cut for billionaires bill. They didnt. And they now know if they do their own voters wont stand for it.
So, Boilerman, get ready for your new list of talking points. They are the same ones Bush and first term Trump gave you. Deficits dont matter. Wait - thats not correct. They do matter. But only when a democrat is in the White House. Otherwise they dont matter. Its kinda like Tom's rules for complaing about golf.
PJ, I'VE POSTED 110 TIMES ON THIS SITE WHILE RESPONDING TO YOU THAT BOTH PARTIES HAVE SPENT TOO MUCH. I'M DISAPPOINTED IN YOUR MEMORY.
Currently we spend 28% more than tax revenues generate. I'm sick and tired of Liberals telling us we can fix this with a scalpel. You've seen me...I weigh 220 pounds. Can you make me 150 pounds with a scalpel? We need to eliminate fraud, stupid shit, plus cuts to all sorts of stuff. We need to cut giveways. SS is not a giveaway. I hope Musk can find hundreds of billions in military waste.
We cant keep borrowing money without our country going under.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
I havent found a single "liberal" anywhere that objects to stopping fraudulent payments.
Let me know when they find them. SO far the "fraud" they found was a complete fabrication - BUT That didnt prevent them from declaring it as fact. One month after their BS was debunked they are still celebrating and calculating the rampant fraud consisting of 150 year old people collecting checks. Truth doesnt matter to Trump's base. If you publish lies on right wing social media - their ignorant base believes it. See the 2020 election for another example.
What DOGE did do was stop payments to a living man in Seattle who was falsely declared dead.
The adventures of living man, Ned Johnson
He then spent two months trying to get through on the phone to no avail.
He then had to go stand in line for 4 hours at his local social security office whose "unnecessary staff" was decimated by DOGE cuts who got rid of the workers in charge of processing that line.
This is what "liberals" are upset about and MAGA is purposefully pretending isnt happening. MAGA keeps pointing to the non-existant 150 year olds collecting checks - which they add to their big money savings page. They know people like Boilerman and Nines wont question it.
The election deniers can push their narrative all they want. Ultimately people see the results first hand. And thats what they judge by. GOod luck celebrating the emperor's new clothes.
Mr Johnson got shafted unnecessarily and wrongfully. . You know as well that he's likely not the only one, either. These large scale changes are going to cause pain and inconvenience for a number of people. I don't pretend to know how many will suffer due to these changes..you don't either. But they're gonig to occur. I personally do not like the fact that they're reducing staff services over the phone as that potentially causes some really difficult situations for elderly recipients ( forcing them to visit a local office). I myself am not far removed from that group.
Regarding the 150 year olds / dead receiving checks , who would NOT question it? Don't accuse me of such a position. The archaic processing system at SS has had such people on the rolls for decades ( you can look that up, too). Their presence on the rolls does not mean that they were receiving checks. I realize they debunked a portion of the accusations, and here's a secret; there'll be more mistakes.
Originally posted by: Boilerman
PJ, I'VE POSTED 110 TIMES ON THIS SITE WHILE RESPONDING TO YOU THAT BOTH PARTIES HAVE SPENT TOO MUCH. I'M DISAPPOINTED IN YOUR MEMORY.
Currently we spend 28% more than tax revenues generate. I'm sick and tired of Liberals telling us we can fix this with a scalpel. You've seen me...I weigh 220 pounds. Can you make me 150 pounds with a scalpel? We need to eliminate fraud, stupid shit, plus cuts to all sorts of stuff. We need to cut giveways. SS is not a giveaway. I hope Musk can find hundreds of billions in military waste.
We cant keep borrowing money without our country going under.
Actually, we CAN keep borrowing money and everything will be fine. England and France have been borrowing money for over 400 years. Every major corporation in America has borrowed money for the entirety of its existence. There's nothing inherently wrong with debt. That's what you simply don't understand.
Originally posted by: Nines
Mr Johnson got shafted unnecessarily and wrongfully. . You know as well that he's likely not the only one, either. These large scale changes are going to cause pain and inconvenience for a number of people. I don't pretend to know how many will suffer due to these changes..you don't either. But they're gonig to occur. I personally do not like the fact that they're reducing staff services over the phone as that potentially causes some really difficult situations for elderly recipients ( forcing them to visit a local office). I myself am not far removed from that group.
Regarding the 150 year olds / dead receiving checks , who would NOT question it? Don't accuse me of such a position. The archaic processing system at SS has had such people on the rolls for decades ( you can look that up, too). Their presence on the rolls does not mean that they were receiving checks. I realize they debunked a portion of the accusations, and here's a secret; there'll be more mistakes.
Regarding the 150 year old dead people--who would believe it? When you say "question it," you mean take it as gospel truth and then ask why it's happening--like a Boilerboob straw man argument. The SANE answer to "EEEK! Elon discovered quadbillions in Social Security payments being made to dead people!!!!" is:
"Bullshit."
Your kind, though, swallowed it whole--because it sounded good, perhaps? "Justified" Elon's wholesale takeover of our government? You, at least, had the minimal intellect to comprehend how fishy it all sounded. Props to you, I guess.
But since you recognize all the pain and inconvenience ElonTurd are causing--why should it be happening? It would be one thing if the Tesla Turd running around slamming doors shut actually cut "waste." But it doesn't. It just fucks everything up and makes people suffer. And for what? For what?
Originally posted by: Nines
Mr Johnson got shafted unnecessarily and wrongfully. . You know as well that he's likely not the only one, either. These large scale changes are going to cause pain and inconvenience for a number of people. I don't pretend to know how many will suffer due to these changes..you don't either. But they're gonig to occur. I personally do not like the fact that they're reducing staff services over the phone as that potentially causes some really difficult situations for elderly recipients ( forcing them to visit a local office). I myself am not far removed from that group.
Regarding the 150 year olds / dead receiving checks , who would NOT question it? Don't accuse me of such a position. The archaic processing system at SS has had such people on the rolls for decades ( you can look that up, too). Their presence on the rolls does not mean that they were receiving checks. I realize they debunked a portion of the accusations, and here's a secret; there'll be more mistakes.
I agree with most of what you say, but you have to understand these changes were made to cut benefits without having to say we are cutting benefits. If you make it hard for an elderly person to sign-up because they don't have transportation or they aren't computer literate they are going to experience a benefit cut.
That guy I mentioned above might be delayed for two months because he has to wait until someone can take him and get an appointment that works with what's available at his SS office. That two months of benefits he misses he can never get back. It is a benefit cut.
It's like big corporations that make it difficult to talk to real people so you can't ask for a refund. These corporations have data that shows them the longer they can put people off the less refunds they have to issue.
I guarantee you Elon has numbers that show him the longer he drags out the SS process and the more difficult he makes it to access benefits the less they have to payout.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Nines, there may indeed be fraudwasteabuseyeepyeep in the SS system, as might be expected in any system that large and complex. But since you're a faithful MAGA, please tell us exactly how Elon roaring into SS offices and firing people indiscriminately and closing some offices altogether is going to help eliminate fraudwasteabuseyeepyeep?
You lack the fiscal knowledge to understand what MUST happen to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid under the Turd/Elon regime's policies, and as a slavish MAGA, you lack the objectivity to learn. That's fine. Just label every warning as mere propaganda from "the left," watch Fox Nooze and suck your thumb, and whatever you do, don't read Mein Project 2025.
Here's a quarter....Miss Queen Know -It-All. Unload all your fiscal knowledge of those programs and then try and convince us of your personal objectivity regarding any position beyond your own. You can't do it..it's against your inherency.
Supposedly 47 of 1200 local SS offices will be closed ( that's just over 3%); roughly 7000 SS employees ( of 57, 000, about 12%) will be displaced with the great grand majority experiencing some alternative beyond direct firings as you describe. Those alternatives have been layed out in the news multiple times..which I'm sure you're aware of but neglected to address in your "objective" analysis above. These large scale changes will result in some pain and inconveniences..but we knew they were coming. We'd all choose to have nobody endure any sort of suffering but that's not realistic. There 'll be consequences of these 'efficiency' moves that I'm going to dislike / disagree with myself; I surely disapprove of a $37T debt, too. And, as I've told you previously, it's just your partys turn in the ringer. That old political pendulum is smacking you upside the head presently. You'll potentially regain your power positions after your party comes up with a plan beyond Trump hatred and the Republicans screw things up beyond comprehension. Do you have any solutions for your ilk beyond Trump bashing?
Fly your kite in somebody else's pasture besides mine.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Actually, we CAN keep borrowing money and everything will be fine. England and France have been borrowing money for over 400 years. Every major corporation in America has borrowed money for the entirety of its existence. There's nothing inherently wrong with debt. That's what you simply don't understand.
Kevin, if we continue borrowing at our current rate for 30 years, 80% of government expenditures will be for interest. This is not sustainable.
Originally posted by: Mark
I agree with most of what you say, but you have to understand these changes were made to cut benefits without having to say we are cutting benefits. If you make it hard for an elderly person to sign-up because they don't have transportation or they aren't computer literate they are going to experience a benefit cut.
That guy I mentioned above might be delayed for two months because he has to wait until someone can take him and get an appointment that works with what's available at his SS office. That two months of benefits he misses he can never get back. It is a benefit cut.
It's like big corporations that make it difficult to talk to real people so you can't ask for a refund. These corporations have data that shows them the longer they can put people off the less refunds they have to issue.
I guarantee you Elon has numbers that show him the longer he drags out the SS process and the more difficult he makes it to access benefits the less they have to payout.
The elderly obviously represent the very reason for the original implementation of the entire SS program. Beyond that, they've paid into the system their entire damned lives..they're OWED!. Any program change that makes it more difficult to access and benefit from the system is just erroneous; likely another dilemma for the courts in the end. I agree that they're crimping the wrong people for the wrong reasons in these instances.,
