Economic variables

How does this all play out?

 

-Trump administration is firing millions of consumers from the government

-They are deporting millions of consumers out of the country

-Remaining government workers and immigrants are afraid to consume because they think they might be next

-All other citizens are afraid to consume because they are worried about tarriff policy that seems to change with whatever bipolar mood grabs hold of the president

-Canada and Europe are boycotting US made products and halting US based vacations.

-Senior consumers are hesitiant to spend because they are worried their could be a delay in the check next month.

 

 

 

So how does that play out?   I dont know.  Probably not good.  Consumer sentiment is at a 12 year low.    Seems like consumers agree with me.

 

 

 

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

How does this all play out?

 

-Trump administration is firing millions of consumers from the government

-They are deporting millions of consumers out of the country

-Remaining government workers and immigrants are afraid to consume because they think they might be next

-All other citizens are afraid to consume because they are worried about tarriff policy that seems to change with whatever bipolar mood grabs hold of the president

-Canada and Europe are boycotting US made products and halting US based vacations.

-Senior consumers are hesitiant to spend because they are worried their could be a delay in the check next month.

 

 

 

So how does that play out?   I dont know.  Probably not good.  Consumer sentiment is at a 12 year low.    Seems like consumers agree with me.

 

 

 


 Not everyone is as obtuse as you are, but keep trolling your lying stupidity...

I just wonder who has Trump's ear?  As in, "Chief, this move [that move, etc.] has you looking very bad.  Do you realize the actual impact on xxxxx? Your boy Musk and his DOGE are looking like idiots, traitors."

 

Who follows up on things and who does he listen to?

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

I just wonder who has Trump's ear?  As in, "Chief, this move [that move, etc.] has you looking very bad.  Do you realize the actual impact on xxxxx? Your boy Musk and his DOGE are looking like idiots, traitors."

 

Who follows up on things and who does he listen to?


He only listens to the people that tell him what he wants to hear.  That is why he is incapable of learning anything.


Originally posted by: Mark

He only listens to the people that tell him what he wants to hear.  That is why he is incapable of learning anything.


  That is funny, President Trump has forgotten more than you will ever learn

Originally posted by: David Miller

  That is funny, President Trump has forgotten more than you will ever learn


Has he forgotten the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930?  

If there are less consumers, then prices start falling.  Lower housing costs .Lower costs of everthing. Not sure the effects on the stock market, I guess we will see.  It is not really clear what solutions people have, other than don;t let Trump touch anything.  I hate all the bitching with not one new idea.

Originally posted by: Brent Kline

If there are less consumers, then prices start falling.  Lower housing costs .Lower costs of everthing. Not sure the effects on the stock market, I guess we will see.  It is not really clear what solutions people have, other than don;t let Trump touch anything.  I hate all the bitching with not one new idea.


There is economic history that tells us what happens when blanket tariffs are enacted.  It isn't a new idea. It is an old idea that has been tried numerous times by different countries including ours and they make economic conditions worse not better.

 

You might think Trump can buck economics and history. I think he knows squat about either and thinks his seat of the pants view of how things should work, no matter how stupid, are all he can see.

 

The tariffs make it impossible for the market to self-correct. In your example prices do go down when people quit spending, the problem is the tariffs. You have someone, Trump, constantly jacking up prices when they should be falling as consumption does. With the tariffs you never get to that point where consumers collectively utter a sigh of relief and say you know things don't look so bad right now as prices are low, so I should start consuming again.

 

Futhermore, your tariffs have destroyed the market.  Countries that used to buy a lot of our stuff no longer buy it because of the retaliatory tarrifs. It doesn't matter if somebody comes in behind Trump and gets rid of the tarrifs. The market has moved on and buyers have built relationships with new sellers.

 

They don't come back to us when we say we were just kidding about those tarrifs for the last four years. The Trump economic hole is going to be so big it is going to take 20 to 30 years to get us back to where we were before.

Originally posted by: Brent Kline

If there are less consumers, then prices start falling.  Lower housing costs .Lower costs of everthing. Not sure the effects on the stock market, I guess we will see.  It is not really clear what solutions people have, other than don;t let Trump touch anything.  I hate all the bitching with not one new idea.


There's a vocabulary word in economics that defines what you just described.  Its called "recession".

 

From a high level you can argue many of Trump's goals are worthy.   And the status quo should be changed.  

But most of what he's doing isnt in line with his sales pitch.

 

 

You can tighten the border without deporting millions of working immigrants already here who contribute.

You can replace antiquated processes in the government with modern IT systems....not just fire half their workforce

You can demand Europe contribute more to their defense without antagonzin Ukraine and embracing Russia.

You can renegotiate trade without making refrences to Canadian 51st state...or threats of annexing Greenland...or retaking control of the Panama Canal.

 

Trump's first term for all of its calamity at least had a handful of sane people around him that contained his worst impulses.   Now whatever crackpot instinct he gets at 3:00AM in the midst of a twitter rant becomes policy the following day.     There's consequences to that.

 

 

 

Originally posted by: David Miller

 Not everyone is as obtuse as you are, but keep trolling your lying stupidity...


Shut the fuck up. If you want to roll over and spread your ass cheeks for Trump, that's your problem--you're the obtuse one.

 

You don't need to be a troll all the time. Go whack off to Big Mama's Titty Show on Facebook.

 

Asshole!

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