An Example of Why Socialism Doesn't Work

Originally posted by: Dealer1

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Tom can always be counted on to demonstrate a classic logical fallacy: Straw Man Argument.  Go ahead Mr. Tom, stand that straw man up and then best the hell out of him.  

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Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

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No. You can find that out yourself easily enough. If I gave you a list, you'd just dredge up a Tom-stat that "proves" that a nation in the list isn't successful. The price of radishes or something.

 

If you want me to honor you with an answer, you'll first have to provide a definition of what "successful" supposedly means. 

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Originally posted by: Dealer1

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Tom can always be counted on to demonstrate a classic logical fallacy: Straw Man Argument.  Go ahead Mr. Tom, stand that straw man up and then best the hell out of him.  

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Originally posted by: tom

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As usual when pressed on an answer kevin refuses or is unable to answer

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Originally posted by: David Miller

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  Actually Tom can be counted on to be a source of reason with actual verifiable facts as he has demonstrared time and again.

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Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

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Yeah. Sweden and post-Mao China are obvious examples. Sweden is prosperous and happy and its citizens are in the top six in life expectancy. China, after literally fifty centuries of periodic famine, is at last feeding all of its people. Though those are quite different, I call them both successful.

 

I didn't bother to respond to Tom's demand because he just would have pulled some Tom-logic out of his ass to argue that either or both countries aren't successful or aren't socialist.

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Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

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Is "success" equated with "good governance" does the latter require a basic respect for human rights? 

 

I wouldn't argue modern China as an example of good governance.

 Social credit scores, lack of free speech, political prisoners and "disapearings" , slave labor camps, reeducation camps, campaigns of genocide, aggression against Taiwan, The Philippines, and other countries. Etc

 

Taiwan might be a better example. 

Liberal democracy with a strong social safety net. 

 

 

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Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

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Yeah, but Taiwan is staunchly capitalist. I never said China was perfect or that its present condition would be called "successful" for a First World nation. But life in China was miserable and short for almost all of its history. The Chinese government --which was only truly socialist after Mao--improved greatly on that. That's why I mentioned everybody having enough to eat. Paradise? No. 

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Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

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Yesterday President Trump demanded all US defense companies stop doing stock buybacks, cancel dividends, and their CEO's should make a maximum of 5 million/year.

 

is that socialism?

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