Excuse me, did I blink and miss the huge recession.

Originally posted by: tom

MP posts 2 facts & kevin is ok with that.  I post 10 facts & I am cherry picking.  Shows how delusional kevin is

 

The problem with MP's facts is that the job growth for Feb & March were reduced by a total of 140,000.  The unemployment number is clouded by the fact that the job participation rate remains high, which means the govt is still paying people not to work


Wow, that's breathtakingly stupid. If the government was "paying people not to work" (an asshole phrase much loved by conservitards), then they wouldn't be working, would they? Yet, as stupid Tommie-poo admits, the job participation rate is still high.

 

Stupid Tommie-poo's befuddled mind is getting even worse.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

Congress (the R's, specifically) will expand the debt ceiling by the due date after all the public and private infighting is done. One major reason why is neither party, despite perpetual arm flailing and incessant spitting during verbal arguments, can or is willing to afford the political fallout from failure to increase it. It represents political suicide, and these guys want to keep their cushy jobs for the next round. It's an often-played movie that we, as citizens, are forced to watch. The R's and D's take positional turns as the actors. Since 1960, Congress has voted to raise, modify, or extend the debt ceiling 78 times ( I Googled that stat, FWIW..blame the source). Both parties have used it as a weapon , historically and factually speaking.

 

The R's included approval of a one time increase in the debt ceiling in their recently passed spending bill in the House, but made that contingent on spending cuts over an extended period. Why is that surprising? That's typical R vs D monetary policy combat, isn't it? This argument starts and ends with positions on the need to curb govt spending ..and in which specific programs / areas are to be cut. I think we need to generally cut spending as stated previously, provided those cuts don't punish the tax-paying citizenry and the truly needy.  Now we have to define those latter areas with some specificity..and the perpetual argument resumes. The Congress will collectively find a way to concoct a budget / spending/ debt ceiling agreement by the due date and then hold nationwide press conferences that will involve 'bipartisanship' verbage. There's never an end to this movie..just short term act / sequel breaks.

 

Scuse me, this thread was about inflation / recession wasn't it? I think the above applies to those. The Federal Reserve , as of May 5, reported the odds of a recession in 2023 to be 64%. Feel free to argue with them. Some large - asseted ( or large-assed, if you prefer) banks have failed recently as all are aware ( some due to inept management, regulatory failures,  over-investment in certain securities, and massive depositor withdrawals in response to risk ) and there are 6 others on the verge of collapse, or so says this source... 

 

https://www.thestreet.com/banking/banks-most-at-risk-morningstar   ( call it my version of cherry picking if ya want..I don't care). One of those on that list (First Republic) just folded..I think Morgan Chase consumed them.

 

Decide for yourself, and know that there are of course other sources that suggest many more than that ( one estimate as high as 186..we all better doubt that and hope not) are at risk. I don't know, but things aren't rosy in the financial / banking sector. We'll see whether fear mongering or complacency actually wins here, or if we can formulate new and nontraditional descriptions for inflation / recession.  We'll see.

 

Personally, I miss watching NFL games. Not applicable to the debt ceiling necessarily, but real. I'll get over it..because I have to.


Charles, there's one factor you're not considering--actually two. The federal budget must increase to keep pace with inflation AND with population growth. So, for example, in an environment of 6% annual inflation and 1% population growth, the budget has to increase by 7% nominally just to provide the same level of services. So we can't and shouldn't reduce spending (that horrible, horrible word!).

 

Now, you can kick back and forth like a soccer ball all the various rationales for spending this or that. However, the current blah blah is about paying the bills. And why can't we pay the bills? Why do we need to borrow? The Trump tax cuts are largely to blame. (Right this moment, stupid Tommie-poo is combing the internet, looking for a "source" that "proves" that those tax cuts ushered in a new age of prosperity, unicorns, and rainbows.)

 

While bank failures are never a plus, they're also not unequivocally a minus. Banks are businesses. Businesses fail, either from bad luck or bad management. Why not take a Darwinian approach, while using the FDIC to protect depositors? Hell, if the FDIC runs out of money (unlikely), then give people tax credits. Refundable tax credits. And BTW, other banks buying up failed banks, always at a huge bargain, is actually noble capitalism in action in its finest incarnation, so why is everyone rattled?

 

And yeah, whatever we do, whether it's putting daisies on the lapels of transgender firefighterss or setting up poison gas and antipersonnel mines on the Mexican border, let's pay for it. We can't do what we're doing now, which is refuse to write the checks.

 

As to the question as to who the "truly needy" are who should be helped, well, that's a nuanced and complex question, but RepubliQ orthodoxy provides a sword with which to cut that Gordian knot: white people. All them funny-colored people can starve and die. See? Politics is simple!

Uh-huh. I won't argue against typical cost of living increases included in budget increases over time ,due to population growth and / or inflation; that just falls into the common sense area. But ,Geezy H Peezy, there's a ton of areas we could reduce spending on ( and stop wasting dollars on) and , imo, we could start with limiting governmental expansion. But I don't want my hair to catch on fire again discussing it. Again, the collective Congress ( with R's riding a tricyle with bent wheels) in the publicly professed interest of bipartisanship action will raise the debt ceiling before the due date. They'll figure to refuse is to commit suicide. There may be some extension of the date , too..btw.That's my opinion. If I'm wrong, I'll eat a bowl of rutebagas..long as I can put green chile on it.

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

Uh-huh. I won't argue against typical cost of living increases included in budget increases over time ,due to population growth and / or inflation; that just falls into the common sense area. But ,Geezy H Peezy, there's a ton of areas we could reduce spending on ( and stop wasting dollars on) and , imo, we could start with limiting governmental expansion. But I don't want my hair to catch on fire again discussing it. Again, the collective Congress ( with R's riding a tricyle with bent wheels) in the publicly professed interest of bipartisanship action will raise the debt ceiling before the due date. They'll figure to refuse is to commit suicide. There may be some extension of the date , too..btw.That's my opinion. If I'm wrong, I'll eat a bowl of rutebagas..long as I can put green chile on it.


Perhaps if every significant budget expenditure was subjected to a cost-benefit analysis...but how do you manage that when the cost of "keeping a million black kids from developing malnutrition" is easily calculable, but the benefit is figured as "infinite" by one side and "less than nothing" by the other?

 

What irks me about this is that public welfare programs (EEEEEEEK!) are actually by FAR the more prudent course...even from a cold-blooded, hard-hearted fiscal standpoint. Healthier and functional citizens produce more. (DUH!) But all I hear is whether people "deserve" that help or not (according to some self-decreed moral standard espoused by the bloviator du jour).

 

Besides, who's gonna grow your green chile (Hatch is the best) if you kill or drive out all the brown people?


Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Perhaps if every significant budget expenditure was subjected to a cost-benefit analysis...but how do you manage that when the cost of "keeping a million black kids from developing malnutrition" is easily calculable, but the benefit is figured as "infinite" by one side and "less than nothing" by the other?

 

What irks me about this is that public welfare programs (EEEEEEEK!) are actually by FAR the more prudent course...even from a cold-blooded, hard-hearted fiscal standpoint. Healthier and functional citizens produce more. (DUH!) But all I hear is whether people "deserve" that help or not (according to some self-decreed moral standard espoused by the bloviator du jour).

 

Besides, who's gonna grow your green chile (Hatch is the best) if you kill or drive out all the brown people?


I'm not going to discuss Hatch green chile..and it's infinite application as a dietary staple. Even on ice cream. We agree on one thing, apparently..it is the best ( no matter the ethnicities who tend the fields..why kill the hands that feed ya?).

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Charles, there's one factor you're not considering--actually two. The federal budget must increase to keep pace with inflation AND with population growth. So, for example, in an environment of 6% annual inflation and 1% population growth, the budget has to increase by 7% nominally just to provide the same level of services. So we can't and shouldn't reduce spending (that horrible, horrible word!).

 

Now, you can kick back and forth like a soccer ball all the various rationales for spending this or that. However, the current blah blah is about paying the bills. And why can't we pay the bills? Why do we need to borrow? The Trump tax cuts are largely to blame. (Right this moment, stupid Tommie-poo is combing the internet, looking for a "source" that "proves" that those tax cuts ushered in a new age of prosperity, unicorns, and rainbows.)

 

While bank failures are never a plus, they're also not unequivocally a minus. Banks are businesses. Businesses fail, either from bad luck or bad management. Why not take a Darwinian approach, while using the FDIC to protect depositors? Hell, if the FDIC runs out of money (unlikely), then give people tax credits. Refundable tax credits. And BTW, other banks buying up failed banks, always at a huge bargain, is actually noble capitalism in action in its finest incarnation, so why is everyone rattled?

 

And yeah, whatever we do, whether it's putting daisies on the lapels of transgender firefighterss or setting up poison gas and antipersonnel mines on the Mexican border, let's pay for it. We can't do what we're doing now, which is refuse to write the checks.

 

As to the question as to who the "truly needy" are who should be helped, well, that's a nuanced and complex question, but RepubliQ orthodoxy provides a sword with which to cut that Gordian knot: white people. All them funny-colored people can starve and die. See? Politics is simple!


We can easily reduce spending.  Look at all the wasteful programs out there.  (on both sides of the aisle but of course, much heavier on the bleeding liberal side)  

 

The banks fail because all the Accounting majors that suck and can't get good Accounting related jobs get into banking and get some random VP title.  The problem is they are the Accounting flunkies and know the govt will bail them out.  

My typo, I meant to say that job participation is going down.

 

the federal budget must increase to keep pace with inflation AND with population growth.

So, for example, in an environment of 6% annual inflation and 1% population growth, the budget has to increase by 7% nominally

 

There is no rule that federal has to increase .  It has increased by almost 40% since 2019, far exceeding inflation. The usual suspects assume that all federal spending is necesssary but earlier threads have pointed out several examples of wasteful spending.  

 

The usual suspects also assume that someone will always be around to buy our debt.  What happens when no one wants to?

Edited on May 7, 2023 6:26pm
Originally posted by: tom

My typo, I meant to say that job participation is going down.

 

the federal budget must increase to keep pace with inflation AND with population growth.

So, for example, in an environment of 6% annual inflation and 1% population growth, the budget has to increase by 7% nominally

 

There is no rule that federal has to increase .  It has increased by almost 40% since 2019, far exceeding inflation. The usual suspects assume that all federal spending is necesssary but earlier threads have pointed out several examples of wasteful spending.  

 

The usual suspects also assume that someone will always be around to buy our debt.  What happens when no one wants to?


In that extremely unlikely event, the world economy would already be in the crapper.

 

Nobody mentioned any "rule" as you put it. What I said was that the budget has to increase in order to keep services at the same level. Even just keeping the budget where it is would result in a reduction of services.

 

One person's "wasteful spending" is another's necessity. So such a debate is Tommie-poo level pointless.

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

We can easily reduce spending.  Look at all the wasteful programs out there.  (on both sides of the aisle but of course, much heavier on the bleeding liberal side)  

 

The banks fail because all the Accounting majors that suck and can't get good Accounting related jobs get into banking and get some random VP title.  The problem is they are the Accounting flunkies and know the govt will bail them out.  


"Look at all the wasteful programs." What makes a program "wasteful"? Is it when it serves a group or demographic you don't like? Because that's the standard conservitard definition. Was Da Wall a waste? Because it was going to cost $50 billion a year to maintain and patrol it. Were the Trump tax cuts a waste? Because cutting off $2 trillion in revenue is the exact same thing as spending $2 trillion as far as the budget is concerned.

 

Look, you guys, I get it. You don't want your tax dollars going to keep members of the inferior races alive, and none of that silly shit about sending them to college or letting them vote. I just wish you guys would finally admit it--you see it all as us versus THEM, those inferior subhumans who don't belong here anyway. Your holy mission is to not let THEM replace you. I understand. Just be honest about it.

 

Most banks are run competently and prudently. The recent failures are the exception that proves the rule; they're rare. (In the grand scheme of things, in the last 50 years, there have been very few bank failures when you consider the number of banks that have been in operation.) And equally importantly, the mechanisms and safeguards that were put into place to handle those situations have worked.

Banks are run by idiots and Accounting majors with very low GPAs.  

 

And I find it kind of rich to believe that Kevin cares about all and every kind and shape of people out there when his main supporter and friend on this site is a bigot and homophobe.  That would be called guilt by association Kev.  

Edited on May 8, 2023 11:41am
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