The Fab Four sings "All Bob's Money"

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

That's shockngly ignorant. Not everyone is "able bodied," and not everyone who is "able bodied" is able to "fend for themselves." Also, people can fall on hard times and need temporary help. I guess that's never happened to you, otherwise you might be more sympathetic.

 

There's another consideration that might not have occured to you. Let's say that Person X is an iconic (to Republicans) no-good mooching welfare bum, too lazy to done git a gol-durn honest living. We doesn't wants to send that bum free money! But that person has children. What's more productive from a societal standpoint, to let those children starve or to give their families free food?

 

I guess that's what makes me a no-good bleeding-heart liberal. I'm happier with some people who don't "deserve" social welfare getting it than some who do "deserve" it not getting it. Assuming we even determine what "deserve" means.


Give me an example of an able bodied person who worked hard to gain a good education (this doesn't include history, or underwater basket weaving), worked hard at their job, and can't fend for themselves.

"Doesn't include history"? Oh yeah, I forgot, ignorance of history is a Trumper thing.

 

I won't give you a specific example, because doing so would be meaningless, but I'll instead ask you to stretch your imagination and think of someone who is injured, develops a medical condition, or has mental problems and can no longer support himself. Or someone who works for a company that lays off its workers, or shuts down altogether. Or someone who works for a company that depended on foreign trade for its existence but had to shut down because Trump's tariffs drove it out of business.

 

Actually, I will give you a specific example. My nephew had a job as a computer software consultant. He developed a degenerative eye condition and is now almost completely blind. He can't work, and has applied for disability and now gets the munificent sum of $494 a month. By your standards, he's just a no-good bum who can't fend for himself and should be allowed to waste away and die.

Your nephew is able bodied? 

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Same old conservative treacle, "the Democrats want to give everybody free everything." No, they actually want to tax the rich to provide the poor with the means to live. Ain't that horrible? Next thing you know, they'll be letting them darkies vote! (We done stopped that in Nawth Caroliner, thank Gawd.)


Democrats fought FOR slavery during the civil war. Democrats gave us the KKK. Democrats gave us Jim Crow. Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act. White Democrats demonize black people who wander off the white liberal plantation...like the wonderful members of antifa who called a black Portland police officer Uncle Tom and a Race Traitor.  


Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

"Doesn't include history"? Oh yeah, I forgot, ignorance of history is a Trumper thing.

 

I won't give you a specific example, because doing so would be meaningless, but I'll instead ask you to stretch your imagination and think of someone who is injured, develops a medical condition, or has mental problems and can no longer support himself. Or someone who works for a company that lays off its workers, or shuts down altogether. Or someone who works for a company that depended on foreign trade for its existence but had to shut down because Trump's tariffs drove it out of business.

 

Actually, I will give you a specific example. My nephew had a job as a computer software consultant. He developed a degenerative eye condition and is now almost completely blind. He can't work, and has applied for disability and now gets the munificent sum of $494 a month. By your standards, he's just a no-good bum who can't fend for himself and should be allowed to waste away and die.


I was on a pub crawl recently with about 65 people along the commuter rail tracks outside of Chicago.  I graduated high school with about 30 of these people, and I've been friends with most since grade school.  All are able bodied, all but maybe 2-3 graduated college with strong degrees, all 30 have worked hard, and all 30 are self sufficient.  I'll be in Vegas this weekend with 14 friends, 12 of with I went to college with and the other two have been friends since 1978.  All are able bodied, all have worked hard, and all are self sufficient.  One, incidently, was born with virtually no fingers yet became a union carpenter at the age of 18.  He went to night school are received his college degree at the age of 26.  Several years later he "earned" his MBA.  He is now a VP with his company pulling down about $350,000 annually.

 

Able bodied, hard working Americans can make it.  Your nephew is not "able bodied".

It's really, really stupid to compare the Democratic and Republican parties of 1865 to those of the present. However, moving further forward in history, LBJ was a DEMOCRAT and was a major force behind the passage of the Civil Rights Act, which was enthusiastically supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans. As was every piece of social reform legislation in the 1960s.

 

In any event, none of that is germane to the Republican party's official racism, bigotry, and hatred, its massive efforts to keep black folks from voting, and the wretched horror of a President it supports.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

It's really, really stupid to compare the Democratic and Republican parties of 1865 to those of the present. However, moving further forward in history, LBJ was a DEMOCRAT and was a major force behind the passage of the Civil Rights Act, which was enthusiastically supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans. As was every piece of social reform legislation in the 1960s.

 

In any event, none of that is germane to the Republican party's official racism, bigotry, and hatred, its massive efforts to keep black folks from voting, and the wretched horror of a President it supports.


Kevin, virtually all hatred comes from the Left.  With few exceptions, Republicans are not racist, bigots, homophobic (I don't even know that this is), or all the other stuff the Left accuses us of.  Liberals call us all of these things, and that doesn't make it so.

I was talking about the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 & 1968. A greater percentage of congressional republicans vote for both of them than congressional democrats. Democrats filibustered the 1964 act for 60 days, with Robert Byrd, klansman, and senator until his death in 2010, a big part of that filibuster. LBJ was such a champion of black people that he said "I’ll have those ni**ers voting Democratic for the next 200 years" refering to the civil rights act, and he said "Son, when I appoint a ni**er to the court, I want everyone to know he's a ni**er" refering to his appointment of Thurgood Marshall to the supreme court.

 

"In any event, none of that is germane to the Republican party's official racism, bigotry, and hatred, its massive efforts to keep black folks from voting, and the wretched horror of a President it supports." Pure hate, and NOTHING true about that statement. 

Bob, you're beyond the reach of education--or facts. And you don't know a goddamn thing about my nephew. He's BLIND. Whether he's "able-bodied" is a matter of semantics, but I can assure you that he can no longer perform his former job of editing academic documents.

 

And I don't care if you know someone with no head who has nonetheless secured a lucrative job as a Trump aide.

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

unless they're soybean farmers, then its ok, right?

 

"Free shit" is when the government increases spending and doesn't pay for it....(in other words, every Republican Administration Boilerman has voted for in his adult lifetime - most of all the current one).    

 

But- uh, yeah...dont vote for liberals because "free shit" or something.


You sure like to bash the ag industry! You may need to EAT to sustain yourself to your end! They invest millions on equipment, land and bank loan payments.

you seem to forget the bailouts of the auto industry but, since that occurred in large cities it was okay.

not so surprising as we help industries that are struggling.

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