Fantastic DNI choice

Originally posted by: Mark

Guess I will have to bring the receipts for Charles, David and Aaron.

 

 

 

Source for image:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/11/trump-election-results-patrushev-putin-rubio-russia-ukraine.html

 

Here is how mother Russia congradulated Trump for his election win.

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/russian-tv-melania-trump/

 

 

You guys might want to turn off whatever propaganda channel you have been watching.  Putin has been giving Trump the middle finger since he won. 


lol.  What makes you think that isn't just Russian disinformation meant to get us divide us?  That's exactly what they do to manipulate the weak minded.  Most democrats are blaming the election loss on either Biden getting out too late so they couln't have a real primary or Kamala being a really weak candidate. 

 

You know she spent a billion dollars to sway public opinion, right?  If you think the cheap Russian videos on obscure websites had any impact on this landslide election, I've got a bridge to sell you.  In fact I've got two of them.  Now be honest.  Do you REALLY believe that or are you just repeating anti-trump propaganda that you really don't believe.

Those Ukrainians are fighting for their country and homes. Russia started the war not Ukraine. You are advocating these people surrender their country, abandon their homes and let the Russians rape their wives, daughters and mothers. That's just sick.

 

If that happned to America would you advocate fighting to the last American or would you advocate letting the invaders rape as many American women as they want because your not a "warmonger"?

Edited on Nov 14, 2024 11:23am
Originally posted by: CharlesII

lol.  What makes you think that isn't just Russian disinformation meant to get us divide us?  That's exactly what they do to manipulate the weak minded.  Most democrats are blaming the election loss on either Biden getting out too late so they couln't have a real primary or Kamala being a really weak candidate. 

 

You know she spent a billion dollars to sway public opinion, right?  If you think the cheap Russian videos on obscure websites had any impact on this landslide election, I've got a bridge to sell you.  In fact I've got two of them.  Now be honest.  Do you REALLY believe that or are you just repeating anti-trump propaganda that you really don't believe.


It's coming from the top down. It isn't a disinformation campaign. Russian state TV doesn't publish nudes of the American first lady without the approval of Putin.

 

Although, I suspect they are ordering Trump to heel and letting him know the consequences of failing to do so.

 

They have something on Melanie. That's why they published the nudes. That's Trump's warning if he doesn't do exactly what Putin wants he will pay a hefty personal price.

 

I don't know how much it impacted the election but if Trump , Trump's people and or American corporations were participating in the Russian operation to get Trump elected the American people have a right to know that.

 

 I'd say their ought to be legal consequences for their treason but we know in Trump's America there is no crime you can't get away with if you are a Republican.

 

Rape an underage girl and Trump will pat you on the back and make you attorney general.

Originally posted by: Mark

Those Ukrainians are fighting for their country and homes. Russia started the war not Ukraine. Your advocating these people surrender their country, abandon their homes and let the Russians rape their wives, daughters and mothers. That's just sick.

 

If that happned to America would you advocate fighting to the last American or would you advocate letting the invaders rape as many American women as they want because your not a "warmonger"?


Ok, smart guy.  You ready to go fight for Ukraine?  What's your end game there?  You think Russia will ever give up Crimea, try Putin for War Crimes and let Ukraine join NATO? I think that was Zelensky's last demand.  That's a prescription for a forever war or even nukes if you really want to keep escalating it.

 

What's really sick is to keep advocating for the ongoing killing rather than pushing a negotiated settlement which will inevitably be the end result anyway...The only question is how many Ukrainians and Russians will die before that.  You say kill them all and let god sort it out.  I say peace now.  You know they had a peace deal on the table in 2022 until Boris Johnson talked them out of it on our behalf.  

 

And while I'm sorry for the people of Ukraine,  we've got our own problems and the only Americans who are profiting from the hundreds of billions sent to Ukraine are your war machine buddies at Lockheed, Raytheon, General Dynamics and the like.  


Originally posted by: Mark

It's coming from the top down. It isn't a disinformation campaign. Russian state TV doesn't publish nudes of the American first lady without the approval of Putin.

 

Although, I suspect they are ordering Trump to heel and letting him know the consequences of failing to do so.

 

They have something on Melanie. That's why they published the nudes. That's Trump's warning if he doesn't do exactly what Putin wants he will pay a hefty personal price.

 

I don't know how much it impacted the election but if Trump , Trump's people and or American corporations were participating in the Russian operation to get Trump elected the American people have a right to know that.

 

 I'd say their ought to be legal consequences for their treason but we know in Trump's America there is no crime you can't get away with if you are a Republican.

 

Rape an underage girl and Trump will pat you on the back and make you attorney general.


I bet you bought the Steele Dossier too didn't you?  Hook, line and pee tapes.  You're into tin hat territory now.  They are manipulating you and you're buying into it.  

Charles and the Republicans new philosophy is to prevent WW3 by surrendering to third world dictators whose economy is smaller than NY State....and shitting on our NATO partners in western Europe.    

 

And who are you kidding, Charles?  You voted for Al Gore and John Kerry during the Cheney years?    You're going to try and fly that one?   You arent just a Trump zealot - you're a liar too.

 

 

 

Charles, Putin is sending a clear message. He doesn't want to negotiate. He wants a complete unconditional surrender where Ukrainians lose everything their country, their homes and their women. Where do you see room to negotiate? What's your counteroffer? 

 

If Ukraine takes your advice and surrenders unconditionally do you advocate the Baltic States and the other Eastern European countries that Putin has his eye on do the same? 

 

Russia wants those countries  and if Ukraine falls they will simply move the army into the next one and then rinse and repeat until they have everything they want. How far are you willing to go to appease Putin?

 

And of course if Trump simply surrenders Ukraine the Chinese will invade Tawian because they know there won't be any price to pay for doing so.

 

And Yes Russia will eventually give up. Putin is old and has health problems.  He will be gone soon.  A change in leadership would open opportunities for a negotiated settlement. 

 

And even if they aren't willing to negotiate when he is gone they will eventually withdraw when they realize the stalemate won't end just like they did in Afghanistan.

 

 

Surrendering will lead to more death and destruction. Putin has colon cancer and knows he is nearing the end. His goal is the restoration of the Soviet Empire and he wants that restoration to be his legacy. 

 

Grind him down in the Ukraine for a few years and when Putin dies the war is over. That way none of those other countries Putin wants has to face the same tragedy Ukraine did.

 

Edited on Nov 14, 2024 11:41am

So your solution is to really fight to the last Ukrainian.  Or do you want to give them Nukes or F35s or send American Soldiers or allow them into NATO and invoke article 5 to turn it into WWIII.  In case you hadn't noticed Ukraine is losing the war of attrition...because there are far fewer Ukrainians.  

Here's my simple proposal to stop the killing:


Immediate ceasefire.
Crimea formally recognized as part of Russia...as it has been since the 1700s.  
Redo elections of annexed regions under UN supervision. Russia leaves if that is will of the people.
Ukraine agrees to remain neutral and not join NATO. 

 

Of course something like this would have been far easier back in 2022 when it was originally proposed and agreed to before the Biden team convinced them that war was better.  That was 500,000 Ukrainians ago.  Now there has to be a stick involved.  Like  increasing our output of oil and natural gas to help supply Europe instead of deferring to Biden's war on fossil fuels.  Like really enforcing sanctions against any country still doing business with Russia.  Tell Russia if they don't agree we will supply weapons that can destroy Moscow.  The old max pressure campaign...carrot and stick..  I think both sides are tired of the war and just want a way out.  Who doesn't want that?  Of course your buddies at Northrup don't want that.  The Cheneys don't want that.  The Neocons and Neolibs don't want that.  You just want call anyone one wants to try to fix this without more death a Putin Lover.  I call them peace lovers.  There was a time when honest liberals would have called trying for a negotiated peace common sense.  

 

 

Why are you so in love with Ukraine which is considered one of the more corrupt countries in the world?  I readily agree that Putin is a thug and the invasion was a horrible thing, but they aren't a member of NATO.  Why aren't you equally concerned about the 40 million Africans that have been dislocated and millions killed due to armed conflicts?  Why don't you want to prop up the government of Haiti to defend its people against its descent into chaos?  Must be because they're black.  There are over 120 active armed conflicts in today's world.  Do you just want us to be the world's policeman and dump hundreds of billions of borrowed dollars into white countries that are threatened by Russia?  I think the money is better spent fixing our own damn problems and we've got plenty.

 

 

Zelensky: War will end faster with Trump admin - Breaking The News

 

That's a good thing, right?

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Explains How The Ukraine Russia War Started

RFK Jr.: Who Really Profits from The Ukraine War?

 

Of course everyone who wants a ceasefire and peace is a Putin lover.

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