Federal judge orders ICE to lay off protesters in Minnesota

The ICE agent wasn't a police officer and shouldn't have acted like one. His lack of knowledge of proper police conduct and unprofessionalism contributed to this tragedy.

(I know that you consider a "Liberal" being shot in the face a joyful occasion, not a tragedy, but I'm referring to the general public opinion here.)

She wasn't committing a crime, other than perhaps parking illegally, when the three agents approached her. ICE agents are NOT empowered to enforce local parking laws.

In a stable democracy, people shouldn't be executed for refusing a police command to ther out of their cars. And in fact, during encounters with actual police officers, they aren't executed for disobedience.

BUT THE THREE ICE AGENTS WEREN'T POLICE OFFICERS AND DIDN'T BEHAVE LIKE POLICE OFFICERS.

You can stop singing and dancing at this extrajudicial execution of a "Liberal." You might be next.

  Here is a question for you - what statement (s) do you consider not to be a fact?  All or some? 

Why don't you not evade his question? Seems like you're trying to weasel away.

When you labeled Tom's post DA TROOTY TROOT and FACTY FACTS, did you mean all of it or just some of it? If the latter, which part(s)?

I'd like to add anither question for you: do you think Tom was reporting "the facts" or simply his opinion? Do you think he was biased in any way? 

 First of all, I don't have to respond to any questions. My opinions are my opinions - you and everyone else has their own. My response to what Tom stated is my opinion - you can judge it any way you desire. I really do not care how my opinions are judged and I have no obligation to explain them. 

I agree with your opinion. I obviously wasn't in her mind but I see no strong evidence to suggest that she meant to strike the agent. 

My current assessment of what I've seen so far is that I believe she was just trying to get away. Her attention was focused on the agent trying to open the door and she didn't even see the agent she hit until it was too late. 

In an effort to preempt comments that I predict coming from some posters..... 

 I will say that I agree this does not change whether or not the agent was in reasonable fear for his safety.

I will also add that even if the agent was in reasonable fear it doesn't mean the driver is guilty of attempted murder. 

Both the driver and the agent are presumed innocent. 

The only thing I know for sure is that this was a tragic and sad event. Someone lost their life and two families and a lot of friends/loved ones have had their lives changed forever. 

  One overlooked point - it is every driver's responsibility to looking the direction they intend to be driving before stepping on the gas. There are three possible scenarios - (1) - she would have seen the officer and would not have stepped on the gas - or - (2) - she saw the officer and stepped on the gas - or - (3) she did not look and stepped on the gas.  My belief is number 3. 

First of all, I understand and applaud your attempts to preempt the usual reflexive responses; however, since those responses from our MAGAs don't involve their higher brain functions, your efforts, I fear, are futile.

That's why MAGAness is so attractive to so many. WHAT TRUMP SAY? ME SAY, TOO! No thinking and very little effort involved! In fact, totalitarianism has historically been attractive to more people than you might think, because it enables people to stop thinking and revert to childhood.

As to whether she meant to strike the agent...if I had been in a similar situation, and I made the (perhaps unwise) decision to run down the person pointing a gun at me, I would have floored it. I also would have ducked. The victim did neither.

Again, obviously, that's my opinion, and we will probably never know what was going on in her head during the last few seconds of her life. You state correctly that this was a sad and tragic day (except for Trump and MAGA), and the only good I see coming out of it is that maybe ICE agents will be more circumspect in the future. Unfortunately, events since then suggest that they've become angrier and even more emboldened.

No one has ever said that her decision to move--whether it was to escape or to run the agent down--was a good one. No one has said it was good driving, either.

That said, you or I might make a poor driving decision if three people were yelling at us and trying to yank open our car doors, and one was pointing a gun at us.

Also, if she was trying to get away, she might understandably not have looked where she was going. She knew that there was a man pointing a gun at her. Therefore, whatever was in the other direction was probably better. I remember driving down a county road when a log fell off a truck right in front of me. I immediately swerved hard right without taking a half second to look what was over there. It had to be better than the log. (I wound up in a ditch BTW, but no injury or damage )

However, only Trump and MAGA have said that her poor driving decision warranted summary execution.

I believe the post in question had a few things that I think could legitimately be considered fact. Most of the statements I believe are opinions. 

Examples:

1) The gentleman stated that the judge was appointed by Biden. This is a potential fact. One that I have not verified but I'm willing to take him at his word. 

2) The gentlemen also stated that the rulling will be overturned. This is an opinion. This is a prediction of the future and is an example of type of opinion. It may or may not become factual in the future. But unless the gentleman owns a DeLorean with a flux capacitor it is purely an opinion for now. 

3) The gentleman stated that the the driver murdered the agent. This is an opinion. In order to consider this a fact we would have to be in the mind of the driver. We at least would have to find evidence demonstrating beyond reasonable doubt that her intent was to strike the agent. Then at some point it might potentially become a fact that she is found guilty of attempted murder. 

If you would offer any examples of  other statements, I would be happy to let you know whether I consider it a fact or opinion. 

Please understand I wasn't trying to set you up for any kind of gotcha question or anything. I'm just trying to understand your perspective and your meaning of the difference between facts and opinions. 

The word fact doesn't mean "something I believe really really strongly". 

 As to whether or not the statement that driver tried to murder the agent is fact or opinion yes it does matter. 

If she survived and he died she could potentially be charged with felony murder but that doesn't change whether or not saying she tried to murder him is fact or opinion.