Federal judge orders ICE to lay off protesters in Minnesota

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

I believe the post in question had a few things that I think could legitimately be considered fact. Most of the statements I believe are opinions. 

 

Examples:

 

1) The gentleman stated that the judge was appointed by Biden. This is a potential fact. One that I have not verified but I'm willing to take him at his word. 

 

2) The gentlemen also stated that the rulling will be overturned. This is an opinion. This is a prediction of the future and is an example of type of opinion. It may or may not become factual in the future. But unless the gentleman owns a DeLorean with a flux capacitor it is purely an opinion for now. 

 

3) The gentleman stated that the the driver murdered the agent. This is an opinion. In order to consider this a fact we would have to be in the mind of the driver. We at least would have to find evidence demonstrating beyond reasonable doubt that her intent was to strike the agent. Then at some point it might potentially become a fact that she is found guilty of attempted murder. 

 

If you would offer any examples of  other statements, I would be happy to let you know whether I consider it a fact or opinion. 

 

Please understand I wasn't trying to set you up for any kind of gotcha question or anything. I'm just trying to understand your perspective and your meaning of the difference between facts and opinions. 

 

The word fact doesn't mean "something I believe really really strongly". 

 


David's definition of "facts," at least in these forums, has been quite broader than the definition most of us use. It includes, in addition to simply factual information that no one can rationally dispute, such as, "The Earth orbits the Sun":

 

1) Things he wants to believe

2) Things MAGA believes

3) Things Trump has claimed to be true

4) Opinions he agrees with

5) His own opinions

6) Anything he likes the sound of

7) Anything of which he is actually skeptical but he believes that calling it the truth will "own the libs"

 

So perhaps it's not surprising that he labels roughly 80% of his posts as "the facts," "the truth," or "reality."

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

First of all, I understand and applaud your attempts to preempt the usual reflexive responses; however, since those responses from our MAGAs don't involve their higher brain functions, your efforts, I fear, are futile.........

 

 


Perhaps so. But they are not my only audience. When posting I must also consider everyone else that may potentially read my remarks. Current and future members. 

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

Perhaps so. But they are not my only audience. When posting I must also consider everyone else that may potentially read my remarks. Current and future members. 


I've thought that way as well, but then I realized that even a retarded chimpanzee can tell when a response is just mindless, reflexive MAGA barf. So trying to forestall that in order for people with functioning brains (i.e., non-MAGAs) to better understand what I'm saying doesn't really help. 

 

I have tried that in the past, to state that Joe MAGA will doubtless respond to my post with yada yada belch grunt snort, in the hope that I've cut him off at the pass, but...he says the same things regardless. I eventually realized that I was appealing to their brains in order to forestall their reflexive behavior: a futile endeavor and a practical impossibility. Like dogs, MAGAs don't think; they react.

Another weekend of peaceful protests

 

Man attacked with a flagpole

 

"A man was seen on video being chased into a Minneapolis parking garage and struck in the head with a flagpole by a mob of apparent anti-ICE agitators, as violent protests unfolded Saturday afternoon in Minneapolis. The mob continued following the unidentified man, who was walking to a car in the garage to leave, and allegedly pepper sprayed a gash on his head and struck the wound with their hands."

 

Church attacked in violation of te first amendment

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/doj-vows-press-charges-after-activists-disrupt-church-129338647

 

Stealing people's property and then dragging the person with their car

 

Conservative influencer Nick Sortor robbed, dragged by car in Minneapolis: video | New York Post

Edited on Jan 19, 2026 6:38am

Tom's "sources":

 

None given in the flagpole fairy tale 

 

Fake source in the church story 

 

The New York Post--a conservative tabloid --in the influencer story

 

😛😛😛😛😛😛😛

 It is obvious who is speaking the factual truth and who remains oblivious to reality. To discern just who is who, one  only needs to take a moment and research the instances reported in this post made by Tom.

As usual when kevin is faced with the truth he ignores the truth

 

Fake source in the church story

 

Now kevin isn't believing ABC News and the attached videos.  

 

Another source

https://internewscast.com/news/us/minneapolis-anti-ice-protesters-accused-of-assaulting-man-with-flagpole-in-parking-garage-incident/

 

Don Lemon made a video of it

 

Again there is a video of the man being dragged, while the driver drives on the sidewalk

Edited on Jan 19, 2026 8:02am

How about an actual news story from a source that isn't a conservative influencer or a tabloid?

 

The church story source isn't ABC. It's another site referencing it and adding their own spin.

 

How about an actual news source for the flagpole fairy tale?

Originally posted by: David Miller

 It is obvious who is speaking the factual truth and who remains oblivious to reality. To discern just who is who, one  only needs to take a moment and research the instances reported in this post made by Tom.


You always buy the crap YouTube randos' feed you, so, not surprising that you buy Tom's "sources,"

 

And your silly habit of labeling the stuff you like the sound of DA FACTY TROOT betrays the fact that you don't actually believe it any more than I do.

Originally posted by: tom

Another weekend of peaceful protests

 

Man attacked with a flagpole

 

"A man was seen on video being chased into a Minneapolis parking garage and struck in the head with a flagpole by a mob of apparent anti-ICE agitators, as violent protests unfolded Saturday afternoon in Minneapolis. The mob continued following the unidentified man, who was walking to a car in the garage to leave, and allegedly pepper sprayed a gash on his head and struck the wound with their hands."

 

Church attacked in violation of te first amendment

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/doj-vows-press-charges-after-activists-disrupt-church-129338647

 

Stealing people's property and then dragging the person with their car

 

Conservative influencer Nick Sortor robbed, dragged by car in Minneapolis: video | New York Post


Hopefully the individuals that committed the assault and other violent attacks will be caught, charged, and prosecuted in court. 

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