Finally A Forced Deportation I Agree With

Originally posted by: Mark

What about when they weren't being assaulted and or threatened as in the last two shootings?

 

It was just reported ICE is now doing drive- bys. In Arizona, they drove

by a group of assembled protesters on the sidewalk with and shot them with Mace as they passed which again is a crime.


 Driving a vehicle into a person is assault. Having a concealed weapon and resisting arrest is a recipe for disaster. Both of these actions were initiated by the individuals who were involved. 

She wasn't driving her vehicle into him and he was taking a damn video with his cell phone when he shot her.  Maybe deemphasize making reels for the DHS social media pages and actually focus on what is happening right in front of you.

 

In any event if the Trump Adminstration followed policy and procedure even if it was exactly as you say and it was as clear as a bell she yelled die bastard and smashed the accelerator to floor to try and run over him they are still required to suspend the officer with pay and open an investigation. They have done neither and have stated they won't be doing what the law requires.  Why do you think that is David? And are you ok with Trump and DHS violating the law? 

By the way it is a actually Battery you are talking about. Assault is a threat and there's only battery if there is contact. in this case, there was no assault and any unbiased person watching that video will conclude no she didn't intentionally try to run over him.

 

In fact she said I'm not mad at you dude and after he shot her, he called her a bitch that says a lot about what his intent was and that her intent was in no way violent.

Edited on Jan 27, 2026 11:22am

Assault is a legal term.  I don't know how hard to prove in court. 

 

In my job I was told it was "assault" for a nurse to lay hands on a patient who objected to it.  I recall a sad case, patient was paraplegic, emaciated, bed bound, had come in with a deep sacral ulcer.  Staff needed to clean his rear end after BMs or the ulcer wouldn't heal.  He started objecting to being cleaned/bathed/wound care, his way of exerting control over his situation, the psych docs said.  Nurses couldn't clean him.  Odor permeated the hallways.  Had to get him declared incompetent to make that decision, get a representative to declare that staff should forceably do the cleaning/bathing and wound care.  His brother provided the permission, this was explained to him, that staff would provide those care actions despite his objections, forcibly if necessary.  After that he stopped objecting.  Who'd of thunk it...

 

Sorry I digressed from the topic.  But I think of this every time "assault" or "battery" comes up in conversation.  Right now I can't recall the distinction between the two, which I'll look up later.

 

Candy

Originally posted by: Mark

She wasn't driving her vehicle into him and he was taking a damn video with his cell phone when he shot her.  Maybe deemphasize making reels for the DHS social media pages and actually focus on what is happening right in front of you.

 

In any event if the Trump Adminstration followed policy and procedure even if it was exactly as you say and it was as clear as a bell she yelled die bastard and smashed the accelerator to floor to try and run over him they are still required to suspend the officer with pay and open an investigation. They have done neither and have stated they won't be doing what the law requires.  Why do you think that is David? And are you ok with Trump and DHS violating the law? 

By the way it is a actually Battery you are talking about. Assault is a threat and there's only battery if there is contact. in this case, there was no assault and any unbiased person watching that video will conclude no she didn't intentionally try to run over him.

 

In fact she said I'm not mad at you dude and after he shot her, he called her a bitch that says a lot about what his intent was and that her intent was in no way violent.


  Why do you lie so much? The videos show her hitting him.


Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

Assault is a legal term.  I don't know how hard to prove in court. 

 

In my job I was told it was "assault" for a nurse to lay hands on a patient who objected to it.  I recall a sad case, patient was paraplegic, emaciated, bed bound, had come in with a deep sacral ulcer.  Staff needed to clean his rear end after BMs or the ulcer wouldn't heal.  He started objecting to being cleaned/bathed/wound care, his way of exerting control over his situation, the psych docs said.  Nurses couldn't clean him.  Odor permeated the hallways.  Had to get him declared incompetent to make that decision, get a representative to declare that staff should forceably do the cleaning/bathing and wound care.  His brother provided the permission, this was explained to him, that staff would provide those care actions despite his objections, forcibly if necessary.  After that he stopped objecting.  Who'd of thunk it...

 

Sorry I digressed from the topic.  But I think of this every time "assault" or "battery" comes up in conversation.  Right now I can't recall the distinction between the two, which I'll look up later.

 

Candy


It is very simple.

 

Assault is the threat of unwanted, physical contact.

 

Battery is the unwanted physical contact. 

For example, if you hold your hand up like you are getting ready to slap someone across the face you are committing assult.

 

Now, if you follow through and actually slap them, you are committing battery.

 

It confuses most people because the legal definition of assult is a lot different than the common usage of the term assault. If you say, he assaulted me after getting punched in the face that is the correct common usage of the word but it is the incorrect legal usage of the term. 

 

 

Originally posted by: David Miller

  Why do you lie so much? The videos show her hitting him.



Lol she grazed him after he jumped in front of her. It was 100% his fault he got hit (negligence on his part) and suffered no injury. If she had left without being shot but after grazing him as in the video the prosecutors wouldn't have a case because her last words, dude I am not mad shows she had no intent to harm. His words right after the shooting shouting bitch shows he was engaged and wanted to put that "bitch" in her place. That is criminal intent.

Originally posted by: David Miller

 Driving a vehicle into a person is assault. Having a concealed weapon and resisting arrest is a recipe for disaster. Both of these actions were initiated by the individuals who were involved. 


Neither of those events happened as you describe...as you're well aware.

 

It's beyond disgusting for you to endorse murder. You're not an American.

 

The latest person killed wasn't placed under arrest...he was gang-tackled while trying to help a woman whom the Trump thugs were assaulting. Then they killed him.

Originally posted by: Mark


Lol she grazed him after he jumped in front of her. It was 100% his fault he got hit (negligence on his part) and suffered no injury. If she had left without being shot but after grazing him as in the video the prosecutors wouldn't have a case because her last words, dude I am not mad shows she had no intent to harm. His words right after the shooting shouting bitch shows he was engaged and wanted to put that "bitch" in her place. That is criminal intent.


  He did not "jump" in front of her - he was already there. Shc accelerated - without looking - and hit him, resulting in him sustaining internal bleeding - ICE officer hit by Renee Nicole Good's SUV suffered internal bleeding: reports -- https://katv.com/news/nation-world/ice-officer-hit-by-renee-nicole-goods-suv-suffered-internal-bleeding-reports-federal-agent-minneapolis-minnesota-governor-tim-walz-president-donald-trump-deadly-shooting-shot-killed  -- Quit your proven lying.

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

Assault is a legal term.  I don't know how hard to prove in court. 

 

In my job I was told it was "assault" for a nurse to lay hands on a patient who objected to it.  I recall a sad case, patient was paraplegic, emaciated, bed bound, had come in with a deep sacral ulcer.  Staff needed to clean his rear end after BMs or the ulcer wouldn't heal.  He started objecting to being cleaned/bathed/wound care, his way of exerting control over his situation, the psych docs said.  Nurses couldn't clean him.  Odor permeated the hallways.  Had to get him declared incompetent to make that decision, get a representative to declare that staff should forceably do the cleaning/bathing and wound care.  His brother provided the permission, this was explained to him, that staff would provide those care actions despite his objections, forcibly if necessary.  After that he stopped objecting.  Who'd of thunk it...

 

Sorry I digressed from the topic.  But I think of this every time "assault" or "battery" comes up in conversation.  Right now I can't recall the distinction between the two, which I'll look up later.

 

Candy


Physical contact = battery. The threat or attempt thereof = assault. That's why people are rarely charged with simple battery, because it would have to be unintentional (as the result of negligence, otherwise it wouldn't be a crime at all).

 

Re your patient: isn't it hospital policy that a patient cannot, and can be forcibly prevented from if necessary, disrupt the operations of the hospital and the care of other patients? It seems to me that generating a horrific stink should qualify.

 

I'm reminded of seven hellish days when I shared a hospital room with a man who was pretty much exactly like the man you described. He stank to high heaven and screamed at the nurses whenever they tried to clean him up. He also yelled out demands at random times, including in the middle of the night. I was told that he'd been there for several weeks. I finally said that if they didn't move me (I had asked several times), I would self-discharge. As they wheeled me out, I could hear him cussing out the nurses.

 

Now, he may have had certain rights, but if I had had a roll of Duct tape handy...

Originally posted by: David Miller

  He did not "jump" in front of her - he was already there. Shc accelerated - without looking - and hit him, resulting in him sustaining internal bleeding - ICE officer hit by Renee Nicole Good's SUV suffered internal bleeding: reports -- https://katv.com/news/nation-world/ice-officer-hit-by-renee-nicole-goods-suv-suffered-internal-bleeding-reports-federal-agent-minneapolis-minnesota-governor-tim-walz-president-donald-trump-deadly-shooting-shot-killed  -- Quit your proven lying.


Gee, Iron Man was "run over" by Renee Gold and still managed to spring up, draw his gun, aim, and shoot her in the face.

 

He belongs in the army. He sounds like an invulnerable one-man tank.

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