The follow-up question NO Trumper can actually answer

Candy, the first and most ridiculous error that Tom, Boiler, and others of their kind make is to conflate ALL immigrants and call them all "illegals." Aside from the simple fact that the vast majority of immigrants are in fact here legally, if the government allows an illegal migrant to remain, he/she is now here legally and cannot be considered an "illegal."

Fun fact: EIGHTY PERCENT of "illegals" originally crossed the border perfectly legally. They have overstayed their work or student visas. There's not much point in rounding them all up and putting them in prison camps.

This issue is far more nuanced than Tom and Boiler's race hatted-based simplistic thinking will allow. But one factor is crystal clear: we benefit from immigration, both legal and illegal.

Did you know, for example, that due to immigrant input into the tax system (yes, they pay taxes!), the time when Social Security will become insolvent was pushed from 2022 to 2030?

Hi Candy.  I did some research on asylum claims in the US and found things that I didn't know.  I was aware that asylum can make a claim anywhere on US soil.  What I didn't know what that they have one year from the time that they arrive in the US to submit their asylum application.  Also, a 2023 study conducted by the Congressional Research Service estimated that 42% of the unauthorized population living in the US entered the county legally but overstayed their period of admission.  The court process for deportation can be long.  Someone very close to me with a green card applied for citizenship.  However, they found something minor in her record that led to a deportation process.  Luckily, we got a very good, expensive, attorney and was able to clear up the issues so she could stay.  However, it took 5 years.   Take care.

The immigration bill has provisions to tighten that up and considerably eliminate abuse.

The Republicans supported it. 

Then Mr. Trump opposed it.

And then the Republicans opposed it. Pathetic.

Robert and Candy, I suggest anybody that is intrested in the topic of asylum look into the historical reason we have our current system.  It makes a lot more sense once you understand the historical context.  

Agree, Tom.  And I've read that once they get their application in (no easy feat) it can take years until they achieve whatever legal status they seek...citizenship or whatever.  Legal entry (and duration of it) can be complicated.  In my hospital we had a lot of 'foreign' medical residents and fellows who at certain points had to return to their country for a very short time, then come right back, all legal but inconvenient.  BTW, they were, almost to a point, very, very smart and great to work with.  But I digress.

We dined at an Asian place almost every Friday night after work, became like family to the staff.  One mentioned she (and by extention some of the others) were there on 'asylum' status.  They were great folks, excellent employees, we attended their weddings, baby showers, etc.  Anyway, one got deported for being stupid.  He and a buddy were driving someplace one night, got pulled over for speeding or something.  He actually was offered the opportunity to pay a fine (I can't recall the exact circumstances) and be done with it.  He thought he shouldn't have to pay a fine, called one of the gals in the restaurant.  They pleaded, implored him "pay the fine!!"  He refused to pay...guess what...jail, then deportation.

An article in our paper today:  An organization (something like "Americans Only", not exactly but close) is filing a suit against Tyson, alledging that they hire 'illegal' immigrants [instead of American citizens].  Tysons says not true, regarding hiring illegals.  Whether they hire 'illegals' or not I don't know, but they DO hire a lot of non-citizens, immigrants, whatever.  One reason for so many is that few others will do the work, which involves up close and personal handling of raw chicken parts, day after day, work that is quite 'odorous', resulting in [major unpleasant] accumulative body odor of chicken that is hard to shake. 

My acquaintence does some legal work with them.  He said when one walks into his office the odor is overwhelming both to him and the worker, but the money is decent.  Friend said some eventually can't stand it any more and quit.  Many others needing work are right in line behind them.

So when thinking of immigrants 'taking' employment from American citizens, consider why that might be in some cases.  I wouldn't have known this at all if not for my friend who lives/works in one of the chicken plant areas and has contact with workers from the plant telling me about it.

Candy

I understand the historical context of the United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol.  The US signed the 1967 protocol.  The friend who I was referenced is a Vietnamese refugee who fled from persecution because her husband was in the South Vietnamese army.  I taught in Westminster, CA where Little Saigon is located.  It also had a large Hispanic population.  The high school was 8% white because the white folks on the west side of town transferred to other district high schools because they didn't want their children to go to school with those "Mexicans."  Sounds like some here.  I had students in my classes who didn't have legal status.  I had families without legal status whose children were in my classes.  I taught everyone who came through my classroom door the exact same way.  Take care Mark.

The immigration bill has provisions to tighten that up and considerably eliminate abuse.

No it didn't.  It continued to allow illegal crossings.  Nothing was in the bill to stop it.  Extra staffing was only to process illegals

The Republicans supported it.

A couple supported it in the Senate.  It was DOA in the House 

Tom...you're so stupid..."illegals" can't be processed upon entry--because at the point when they're starting to be processed, if not before, they're now here legally--lawfully--with government permission.

The above is something you seem incapable of grasping.

And it's not a matter of "allowing" illegal crossings as a realization that killing everyone who tries to cross the border would be wildly expensive, aside from being inhumane (THAT doesn't bother you at all).

The bill was going to pass the House with bipartisan support until your hero, the Orange Turd, ordered his Republican lackeys to stop it. That's a simple fact, stupid Tom.

One of South Park's most hilarious shticks was a town hall meeting to discuss the "crisis" of a Hispanic family moving into town. One by one, the rednecks stood up, beer can in hand, to shout, "THAR TAKIN ARE JOBZ!!" 

That's been at the heart of the anti-immigrant movement since the mid-19th century--the fallacy that there are only a finite number of jobs and if a FILTHY IMMERGENT gets a job, he/she must be "taking" it from someone else. The tiny-brained folk who think this way don't fathom that immigration CREATES jobs.

And yes, they do the shit work that troo-bloo American citizens wouldn't do at gunpoint.