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Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

Can someone provide FACTUAL definitions of "illegal" as it relates to persons occupying space in the United States?  I'm not sure I fully understand what is meant when posts speak of "illegals".  I have a feeling that illegal can somehow be acceptable, or vice versa, maybe even legal in some sense depending on the person and their circumstance. 

 

Does one have to be naturalized, or here on some sort of contract, maybe working for pay, voting, maybe paying taxes (as in buying items that carry a sales tax) yet still be considered "illegal"?

 

I'm showing my ignorance here.  Thanks for any reasoned replies; no insults please, no reference to 'liberals' or 'MAGAs' or 'Democrats', 'Republicans' or other politically devisive terms.  

 

Candy


Hi Candy....think of "illegal" as "undocumented", so an illegal immigrant is an undocumented immigrant or someone that comes to the U.S., in this case, without legal authorization.  They come to the country with not having gone through the channels of showing a passport or visa, with the plans of actually staying in the country.  At times they have a visa, but overstay the length of time the visa allows them to stay in the country.  

 

I hope that makes sense.  I'm sure others on here can present this in much more understandable way that I just attempted to do. 

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

Can someone provide FACTUAL definitions of "illegal" as it relates to persons occupying space in the United States?  I'm not sure I fully understand what is meant when posts speak of "illegals".  I have a feeling that illegal can somehow be acceptable, or vice versa, maybe even legal in some sense depending on the person and their circumstance. 

 

Does one have to be naturalized, or here on some sort of contract, maybe working for pay, voting, maybe paying taxes (as in buying items that carry a sales tax) yet still be considered "illegal"?

 

I'm showing my ignorance here.  Thanks for any reasoned replies; no insults please, no reference to 'liberals' or 'MAGAs' or 'Democrats', 'Republicans' or other politically devisive terms.  

 

Candy


Hi Candy....think of "illegal" as "undocumented", so an illegal immigrant is an undocumented immigrant or someone that comes to the U.S., in this case, without legal authorization.  They come to the country with not having gone through the channels of showing a passport or visa, with the plans of actually staying in the country.  At times they have a visa, but overstay the length of time the visa allows them to stay in the country.  

 

I hope that makes sense.  I'm sure others on here can present this in much more understandable way that I just attempted to do. 

Candy, it is real easy. If you have black or brown skin you are an illegal in the President and MAGA world's mind. That is why they are revoking the legal status of hundreds of thousands of refugees from Haiti because they want to deport them. 

 

Keep in mind this is the same group that Trump maliciously and racially scapegoated in the run-up to the election.  They have black skin so they don't belong here in the MAGA way of thinking even though they are here legally and economically revived a dying rust belt city. 

 

In that article PJ posted yesterday day about the MAGA that lost most of his work crew, all the folks that were picked up for deportation were here legally with green cards. The NAZIesque Trump regime doesn't care as they have even deported American citizens for having committed the crime of being brown.

 

it is disgusting and one of the most shameful episodes in American history. 

Edited on Jun 13, 2025 8:46am
Originally posted by: Edso

Hi Candy....think of "illegal" as "undocumented", so an illegal immigrant is an undocumented immigrant or someone that comes to the U.S., in this case, without legal authorization.  They come to the country with not having gone through the channels of showing a passport or visa, with the plans of actually staying in the country.  At times they have a visa, but overstay the length of time the visa allows them to stay in the country.  

 

I hope that makes sense.  I'm sure others on here can present this in much more understandable way that I just attempted to do. 


That is very understandable, Edso.  Thanks. 

 

I suspect illegal is easy to interpret as criminal.  Perhaps in a strict sense it is.  I don't know if my yard man is undocumented or a naturalized citizen.  He has been doing my yard, and gutters, and many other helpful things for years.  I'd guess that so many doing roof work (usually under supervision of another) could be undocumented. 

 

Candy


My thought was that if there is minimal damage with the extra security in LA, and if Newsome and Bass are successful in removing that extra security and suddenly a federal building is distroyed.  Then yes, that may be Newsome and Bass's Jan 6

Originally posted by: Brent Kline

My thought was that if there is minimal damage with the extra security in LA, and if Newsome and Bass are successful in removing that extra security and suddenly a federal building is distroyed.  Then yes, that may be Newsome and Bass's Jan 6


Lol that's insane. 

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/global-trends/troops-tensions-and-ice-raids-why-did-donald-trump-deploy-the-national-guard-to-la-protest-but-not-on-jan-6-asks-nancy-pelosi/articleshow/121781777.cms

 

No call from Trump to get the Nation Gaurd on Jan 6, in fact, he refused requests for it.  Oh, and he said he "loved" the rioters and pardoned everyone of then including the Illinois man given 4+ years for assaulting a female police officer; oh, by the way, that pardoned man later drove down an interstate the wrong way and killed a young lady.  Did Biden ever say he "loved" or pardon any violent BLM participants?  Your confirmation bias is showing.  

He also sang Christmas Carols with them. 

Edited on Jun 13, 2025 9:43am
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

Can someone provide FACTUAL definitions of "illegal" as it relates to persons occupying space in the United States?  I'm not sure I fully understand what is meant when posts speak of "illegals".  I have a feeling that illegal can somehow be acceptable, or vice versa, maybe even legal in some sense depending on the person and their circumstance. 

 

Does one have to be naturalized, or here on some sort of contract, maybe working for pay, voting, maybe paying taxes (as in buying items that carry a sales tax) yet still be considered "illegal"?

 

I'm showing my ignorance here.  Thanks for any reasoned replies; no insults please, no reference to 'liberals' or 'MAGAs' or 'Democrats', 'Republicans' or other politically devisive terms.  

 

Candy


There are two types of so-called "illegals":

 

1) Those who entered the country legally but are now in violation of the terms under which they entered; this is usually holders of expired student visas, work permits, or temporary asylum permits

2) Those who entered the country illegally

 

Now, all the rhetoric may make it sound like it's all hordes of slavering thieves, rapists, and murderers, violating our sacred borders in order to spread mayhem and open up taco trucks, but the fact of the matter is that 80 percent--four out of five--of the "illegals" are from category 1), above. And of course, as common sense will tell you, the number of category 2) can never be anything other than an estimate.

 

Another way to differentiate is to refer to 1) as "documented" and 2) as "undocumented."

 

So it all comes down to what upsets people and what doesn't. If YOU don't pay a parking ticket or didn't file your taxes on time, YOU are an "illegal." However, I doubt that anyone would want to drag you away. I for one don't care if Jorge, out in the field picking tomatoes, has his work permit up to date or not. But regardless, lumping him together with those who entered the country unlawfully is simply wrong.

Originally posted by: Edso

Hi Candy....think of "illegal" as "undocumented", so an illegal immigrant is an undocumented immigrant or someone that comes to the U.S., in this case, without legal authorization.  They come to the country with not having gone through the channels of showing a passport or visa, with the plans of actually staying in the country.  At times they have a visa, but overstay the length of time the visa allows them to stay in the country.  

 

I hope that makes sense.  I'm sure others on here can present this in much more understandable way that I just attempted to do. 


Actually, no ..when the propaganda outlets talk about "all the illegals," they conflate those who entered legally but have overstayed their visas/permits with those who entered the country illegally. The actual ratio in the "illegal" population is 4:1 legal to illegal entry. So whenever you see a number about all those slavering hordes...chances are, that number includes Jorge, whose student visa expired last week.

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