Gun love

If history is any guide the best time to invest in guns and ammo stocks starts the day after a  Democrat wins the white house.     Republicans and the NRA will flood their very scared and paranoid base with tons of hyperbolic propoganda - getting them  armed and ready for the imminent civil war which will result from Democrats trying to immplement a police state er something.     

I'm cashing in on the next cycle.     I've already got my list of manufacturers ready for next November.

Re: Gun Laws and Democrat Cities

Two Obsrvations:

__Chicago has had 10 Democrats [Mayors] and no Republicans in 84 years. 

Ref: Baltimore Sun

__Chicago is the only major US City with a website dedicated to documentation of gun crimes with data breakdowns such as sex of the perps, race of the perps/victims, locations within the city, where the victim was hit anatomically(so far in 2019 92 victims have been "shot in the ass"), etc., etc., etc.

DonDiego recommends one employ the website Hey Jackass !  when planning a trip to the Windy City. 

DonDiego's implied premise is that mayors alone "run" cities. City governments, in fact, are complex entities, not kingdoms. Several thousand people, in fact, run Chicago. And not all of of them are Democrats, or even most of them.

In any event, I still don't see any empirical evidence of a causal link between the politics of a city and its rate of gun-related deaths. What we do have is statistical evidence that states, counties, and cities with higher rates of gun ownership have higher rates of gun-related deaths.

The simple fact is that guns=deaths. The NRA wants everybody to believe that guns=safety and freedom. Tragically, the exact opposite is true--and that's not an opinion, it's statistics.

Kevin Lewis writes:

"DonDiego's implied premise is that mayors alone "run" cities. City governments, in fact, are complex entities, not kingdoms. Several thousand people, in fact, run Chicago. And not all of of them are Democrats, or even most of them."

The Governments of the City of Chicago and the State of Illinois are, indeed, complex.  And they are overwhelmingly Democrat dominated.

Democrats do "run" Chi-Town as well as The Prairie State.

Democrat Domination in Chicago and Illinois

"Illinois is the most Democrat-dominated state in the union, measured by the party’s control over state government and its votes for U.S. Senate and president.

The Democrats have controlled the governor’s mansion and both houses of the legislature since January 2003. They stayed in power even after their two-time governor was impeached following one of the biggest corruption scandals in the state’s history.

The only place Democrats have been running state government longer? West Virginia.

West Virginia also sends two Democrats to the U.S. Senate, but while the state remains true to its Southern Democratic heritage at the state level, it voted Republican for president in 2000, 2004 and 2008. Illinois trumped that by not only voting Democratic in 2000 and 2004, but providing the Democratic presidential candidate in 2008.

For the four years between 2006 and 2010, Democrats even controlled all six statewide offices, and the state Supreme Court."

Ref: NBC Chicago

n.b. Poor old DonDiego has bold-faced the reference to "running" a government; it is a common usage of the term.

Not only do Democrats control Chicago, . . . they also control the State of Illinois.

Oh, . . . for those keeping track: The year-to-date number of people in Chicago "shot-in-the-ass" stands at 92.

Ref: heyjackass.com

DonDiego is fixated on Chicago for some reason. He also seems not to realize that the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois are not the same entities.

Anyway, this thread is not about Chicago in particular. If DonDiego is trying to make some kind of point, I don't know what that might be. Even if Chicago IS Democrat-dominated, so what? Does DonDiego have a list of major cities in the US, the political affiliations of their governments, and the rates of gun deaths there compared to a national average?

Does DonDiego contend that gun deaths are more prevalent in large urban settings and that the reason for that is that they tend to have Democratic governments? That would be quite a stretch.

Does DonDiego realize that the subject of this discussion was intended to be gun deaths in the home, and not just in Chicago?

Oh...so subsequent posts should stick to the original subject of the discussion?  Hey, what a concept!  And, Kevin, please notice that I'm agreeing with you on that fine point.  

One phrase in your initial post stands out:

"commonsense consideration of the issue"

Folks, you might be old enough to remember when the political parties declared their positions on something, debated, got together to argue within "commonsense consideration of the issue" and sometimes found middle ground.  Or maybe the thing died a natural death.  Maybe to be raised again at another time, or maybe not.

There seems to be not "commonsense consideration" of issues lately, just screaming and, to use a decades old phrase, mud slinging.  But I digress.  Thank you.

Commonsense consideration, these days, must be exclusive of politics. I actually can't see why people dying from guns is, or should be, a political issue. But gun control is a political football precisely because a) the NRA pays Republicans beaucoup bucks to block any kind of gun control; b) in order to cloud the issue and disguise the naked fact that their policy positions are being bought and paid for, Republicans frame the discussion (falsely) in terms of personal freedom and the Second Amendment; c) gun love, reinforced by Clint Eastwood movies and the myths of the American West, becomes part of Republican culture; d) even the most minimal efforts to curb gun violence are painted as contrary to American values and leading to a slippery slope of tyranny and no more free pretzels in bars, or something.

That my neighbor, fondling his guns, might accidentally discharge one of them and the bullet hits me in the head, is not a political concern on my part. It's a safety issue. That his child, home alone, might figure out a way to get inside Daddy's desk, find his gun, and accidentally kill himself or his playmate isn't a political issue; it's a social issue. And the fact that 2/3 of the gun deaths in this country are suicides isn't a political issue; it's a health issue.

KevinLewis asks: "Does DonDiego have a list of major cities in the US, the political affiliations of their governments, and the rates of gun deaths there compared to a national average?"

Umm, . . . no.  But he can do the research:

Across the United States, there were 4.4 firearm deaths for every 100,000 people from the start of 2015 through the end of 2016, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

City . . . . . . . . . . . . . Firearm Homicides-per-100,000 . . . Party of Mayor / City Council    

New Orleans, LA . . . . . . . . . . 16.6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Democrat  / Democratic

Memphis, TN. . . . . . . . . . . . . 15.0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Democrat / non-partisan

Birminham, AL. . . . . . . . . . . . 12.6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Democrat / non-partisan

Baltimore, MD . . . . . . . . . . . . 12.2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Democrat / 13 Dem, 1 non-partisan

St. Louis, MO. . . . . . . . . . . . . 11.4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Democrat 

Milwaukee, WI . . . . . . . . . . . .  8.9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  unknown

Louisville, KY . . . . . . . . . . . . .  8.4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Democrat / 

Detroit, MI. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  8.2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  unknown /27D/3Rep/1Inde

Kansas City, Mo . . . . . . . . . . .  8.2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  Democrat / 

Chicago, Il. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  8.1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Democrat / Democrat

Ref: Cities with the Most Gun Violence

Hmm, . . . poor old DonDiego is shocked.

Added 16:25 EDT :

Poor old DonDiego:

___ is not affiliated with the NRA in any way; . . . except that he tosses their mailings in the trash.

___ supports personal freedom as expressed in the US Constitution.

___ supports the US Constitution including the 2nd Amendment.

___ enjoys Clint Eastwood films.

___ enjoys tales of the Old West.

___ opposes gun violence; supports any reduction thereto, which does not violate the Constitution.

___  supports free pretzels in bars so long as hygienic measures are observed.

___  keeps all personal firearms stored under lock and key.

___  agrees that suicide is a (mental) health issue.

Speaking from the Chicago area my only comment is this......Unless and until you are ready to talk about handguns, anything you might discuss is a decimal point of the problems at hand.  Many (as in 40 years) years ago, I posed that you could ban hand guns AND ammunition from sale and manufacture.  Today, the problem has exploded to where I don't see any way to reign in hand guns.  It would take many decades to put a dent in the problem.  And, in my view, hand guns are the real problem.  Talk all you want about 'assault' weapons, the elephant in the room is hand guns........no sporting use for them......no hunting use for them......literally, their only use is for killing people.

Carry on!  Or is that, concealed carry on.

lvfritz writes: " . . . the elephant in the room is hand guns........no sporting use for them......no hunting use for them......literally, their only use is for killing people."

Ummmm, . . . . Handgun Sports