The Health Care Cost Crisis

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

  

 

Insurance costs go down when more people are in the pool.  You can distribute the costs amongst all the participants.   Thats why the individual mandate was passed with Obamacare.   

 

 


In the insurance industry, this is called "adverse selection". People who really need the insurance (older people, you know, like everyone on this forum) will buy it at almost any cost. People who don't think they need insurance(but they probably do need some) will not pay for it, no matter how affordable it might be.

 

Why this model works in the business-centric US model is that the younger folks sign up because the company offers it, and they've been told it's a great "benefits package". Why it doesn't work for everyone else is that when you're tasked to do it on your own, you have to put some effort into it.

 

As PJ said, that is why the mandate had to be in the legislation. Who didn't understand that or wanted to kill it no matter what? Yep, first Republicans, then MAGA.

 

Tax breaks and HSA accounts will not accomplish that. 

 

IT IS A BASIC PRINCIPLE OF THE ENTIRE INSURANCE INDUSTRY: EDUCATE YOUSELF, OR STFU.

 

Now go cancel your auto insurance because you haven't had a claim in 20 years. 

Originally posted by: Brent Kline

So I have heard talk of we need more people in the pool and we need the subsidies.  Wouldn't it be easier to just do a payroll tax to fund this healthcare  problem like they do social security ?  Why does cost have to be hidden in a subsidy. Why do the medical device tax and all the other special taxes that were suposed to fund this all have to be hidden, and just drove up the prices


You're kind of getting lost in the details. There doesn't have to be a "special" tax. Here's the simple way, as done in Europe, Canada, et al:

 

Free medical care for all.

 

Paid for out of general government revenues. Incomes taxed sufficiently to avoid a deficit. Yearly budget includes allocations for all medical care provided.

 

Simple!

 

AND! An overall 20% savings due to much lower administrative costs (single payer).

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

In the insurance industry, this is called "adverse selection". People who really need the insurance (older people, you know, like everyone on this forum) will buy it at almost any cost. People who don't think they need insurance(but they probably do need some) will not pay for it, no matter how affordable it might be.

 

Why this model works in the business-centric US model is that the younger folks sign up because the company offers it, and they've been told it's a great "benefits package". Why it doesn't work for everyone else is that when you're tasked to do it on your own, you have to put some effort into it.

 

As PJ said, that is why the mandate had to be in the legislation. Who didn't understand that or wanted to kill it no matter what? Yep, first Republicans, then MAGA.

 

Tax breaks and HSA accounts will not accomplish that. 

 

IT IS A BASIC PRINCIPLE OF THE ENTIRE INSURANCE INDUSTRY: EDUCATE YOUSELF, OR STFU.

 

Now go cancel your auto insurance because you haven't had a claim in 20 years. 


Health insurance, offered in a free marketplace and not mandatory, carries the seeds of its own destruction; I believe the industry term is "death spiral." The pool of policyholders shrinks and gets sicker and sicker, while prices go upwards. 

 

Which is why it has to be offered by the government. That isn't unique. There are lots of things that government does that would be terrible in the hands of private enterprise (post office, military, etc.).

 

That's also why enrollment has to be mandatory. Not that anyone would object if the government simply paid for it. Jawohl, taxes would be higher. But the total outlay would be lower, in the absence of premiums.

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