House passes SAVE Act, mandating proof of citizenship for voter registration

Originally posted by: tom

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Over 1,500 cases of voter fraud. with almost 1,300 convictions

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/connecticut-democrats-charged-bridgeport-mayor-b2560786.html

 

Why are democrats so afraid of voter id?

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Originally posted by: tom

 

what a poll says is all that relevant

 

People are elected to do the will of the people. If 80% of the population is in favor of voter id, our representatives should act on it.

 

Nobody can still explain why we shouldn't have voter id.  What is the downside?

 

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Originally posted by: tom

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I checked out that Heritage Foundation site and noticed that most of the illegal voting was by people who were felons or sex offenders, not illegals

 

If we had voter id it would have been discovered that they were not legal to vote.

 

why would anyone cast a fraudulent vote, committing at least five felonies in the process, with little or nothing to be gained from it

 

Prisons are full of people who commit felonies who didn't think tey would be caught.  In this case the people committing voter fraud are being paid.

 

Should we worry about 1.44 instances of voter fraud in each state or 146,000 immigrants in each state? GOP says let's do the 1.44.

 

Closing the open border is in the Republican platform, so it is a prioirty

 

what a poll says is all that relevant

 

People are elected to do the will of the people. If 80% of the population is in favor of voter id, our representatives should act on it.

 

Nobody can still explain why we shouldn't have voter id.  What is the downside?

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Originally posted by: tom

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Should we worry about 1.44 instances of voter fraud in each state or 146,000 immigrants in each state? GOP says let's do the 1.44.

 

Closing the open border is in the Republican platform, so it is a prioirty

 

 

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Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

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Why won't the House put the Senate bill to the floor then? Waiting for temporary Executive Orders if Trump is elected? Not a good way to govern, of course, MAGA doesn't know how to govern.

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Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

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I don't think foreign countries' ID laws or what a poll says is all that relevant, but if you do, fine. I do find the Heritage Foundation link to reinforce my earlier points, the 1,513 proven instances of fraud go back to 1982, did you dive into that info, or did you like the 1,500 number and run with it?

 

Let's do some math(as always I welcome any corrections of any flaws you may find):

 

2024-1982= 42 years of data, assuming some kind of election every two years that would be 42/2=21 elections.

 

The actual report says 1,513 proven instances of fraud, so 1,513/21 elections 72 instances of fraud per election. Just to make it easy 72/50 states = 1.44 instances of fraud per state per election. 

 

In February Fox News reported that 7,300,000 illegal immigrants had entered the country under the Biden Administration. Let's do the math, 7,300,000 / 50 states = 146,000 immigrants per each state on average.

 

Should we worry about 1.44 instances of voter fraud in each state or 146,000 immigrants in each state? GOP says let's do the 1.44.

 

Nearly 7.3 million migrants have entered US illegally under President Biden | Fox News

 

 

On the Independent.co.uk article, I don't see how the SAVE Act would have prevented election workers from mishandling ballots. Can you explain how the Save Act would apply in this case? Thanks.

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Originally posted by: Robert Davis

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Hey Max.  I believe that your methodology of the number of elections is flawed.  Every two years, there is a primary and general election.  Also, there are off cycle elections for city, county, and school board election.  I calculated my answer using 4 elections each 4 years or 1 per year.  I came up with an average of 36.5 cases of fraud per election.  I didn't add off cycle elections because I don't know the number.  Dividing by 50 ignores DC and the territories.  So the highest number using only 50 states would be 0.73 per state per election.  Take care and stay cool.

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Originally posted by: Robert Davis

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Hey Max.  I believe that your methodology of the number of elections is flawed.  Every two years, there is a primary and general election.  Also, there are off cycle elections for city, county, and school board election.  I calculated my answer using 4 elections each 4 years or 1 per year.  I came up with an average of 36.5 cases of fraud per election.  I didn't add off cycle elections because I don't know the number.  Dividing by 50 ignores DC and the territories.  So the highest number using only 50 states would be 0.73 per state per election.  Take care and stay cool.

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Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

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I don't think foreign countries' ID laws or what a poll says is all that relevant, but if you do, fine. I do find the Heritage Foundation link to reinforce my earlier points, the 1,513 proven instances of fraud go back to 1982, did you dive into that info, or did you like the 1,500 number and run with it?

 

Let's do some math(as always I welcome any corrections of any flaws you may find):

 

2024-1982= 42 years of data, assuming some kind of election every two years that would be 42/2=21 elections.

 

The actual report says 1,513 proven instances of fraud, so 1,513/21 elections 72 instances of fraud per election. Just to make it easy 72/50 states = 1.44 instances of fraud per state per election. 

 

In February Fox News reported that 7,300,000 illegal immigrants had entered the country under the Biden Administration. Let's do the math, 7,300,000 / 50 states = 146,000 immigrants per each state on average.

 

Should we worry about 1.44 instances of voter fraud in each state or 146,000 immigrants in each state? GOP says let's do the 1.44.

 

Nearly 7.3 million migrants have entered US illegally under President Biden | Fox News

 

 

On the Independent.co.uk article, I don't see how the SAVE Act would have prevented election workers from mishandling ballots. Can you explain how the Save Act would apply in this case? Thanks.

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