How much money should the government spend to extend the life of an 80 year old sickly person?

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

Recovery workers are finding people frozen to death under cover in their beds.  An 11 y/o boy froze to death in his bed.   They found temps inside the homes the same as outside--sub freezing.  This is unacceptable, whatever has to be done to minimize the risk of it happening again.

 

OK, Boilerman, yes I would spend the money to insure that "granny" never froze to death in her bed, or anyone else, next winter or fifty years from now.  

 

It has been a mantra among parents," I want my kids to have it better than I did."   It sounds lovely, but it has been taken to the extreme in the last several decades.   The kids can make their own way to college, ride the bus until they can afford a used car, save for a house. 

 

If it can happen in Texas, one of the  most southern of southern states, perennially hot as hell much of the time, it can happen there again.  They need to fix it.

 

Candy


Candy, this storm killed 5 people during the 5 days it lasted in Texas.  During that time, 980 people died in Texas from other causes.  Over the past year, 5 people died because of this storm, while 100,000 died from other causes.  3,000,000 died in Texas from other causes during the past three three decades (about how often such a storm happens), while 5 died from this storm.  Where should we spend our money?

 

You're made it clear that we should spend more money on winterizing Texas power plants.  What about education spending?  After all, we don't want inner city children to be uneducated.  I read an article about a child being killed by a car in a parking lot.  That's unacceptable and we need more safety training.  Then there's heart disease research, cancer research, vaccine research, airborn illness research, school meal programs, social security payments, sex education, unemployment, food stamps, global warming budgets, improving conditions in prison, free phones for all, subsidized housing for people.  Let's not forget Covid relief payments, of course.  Some granny's die due to summer heat, so we need to spend money to fix that also.  Someone's granny could have been saved if we spent more money on each of these things.

 

Candy, your argument appears to be is that there is no acceptable level of risk.  Since all risk can never be eliminated, you stance leaves us with a serious fiscal problem.

 

 

Actually the death estimate is at least 30 and counting...

 

But for people who dont care about that (dont ask me why) here is this interesting nugget:

Texas wants Federal money to pay for people's multi-thousand dollar electric bills

 

Ya got that?   Nevermind they want Socialist Federal dollars for their energy grid that was specifically designed to be disconnected from the Federal grid - they dont want to use that money to upgrade the system and prevent this mess from happening again.   They want to use Federal dollars to pay off the price gouging electric company at the heart of the problem and make sure they get whats owed to them for their awesome service.

 

Once again its Venezeula and other peoples' money to the rescue for small government conservtives and their corrupt partners

Edited on Feb 23, 2021 6:13am

Boiler's utterly idiotic argument is that we can't fix everything, so we shouldn't try to fix anything.

 

I've always been amused by how conservatives are always so righteously indignant about other people getting federal money but are the first to hold their hands out when a crisis occurs.

 

The chief financial officer of the Texas electrical company responsible for this disaster was just a couple of days ago on the regular quarterly earnings conference call, and was positively giddy about the "awesome prices" his company was charging. The storm and outages were very, very good for their business!

 

This sick and twisted state of affairs is what you get when Cowboy Bob elects Republican criminals.

I can't understand how an 11 year old child can freeze to death alone in his bed while the parents survive. At best they should be charged with child abuse and at worst murder. Why they weren't all huddled together under every available covering is a mystery. If the temperature was the same as outside, why didn't they have a fire outside? Burn anything and everything you have to for survival. I understand that they've filed a very large lawsuit for their loss. They should be criminally charged not rewarded for their sons death.


Originally posted by: PackerBackerAZ

I can't understand how an 11 year old child can freeze to death alone in his bed while the parents survive. At best they should be charged with child abuse and at worst murder. Why they weren't all huddled together under every available covering is a mystery. If the temperature was the same as outside, why didn't they have a fire outside? Burn anything and everything you have to for survival. I understand that they've filed a very large lawsuit for their loss. They should be criminally charged not rewarded for their sons death.


It's actually quite difficult to tell if someone's metabolism has slowed down so much that their life is in danger--unless you're a trained medical professional. Someone freezing to death would exhibit symptoms similar to being in a deep sleep.

 

Perhaps the parents could have been smarter about how they handled the situation. But they probably had zilch experience at dealing with a power outage in subzero weather. The standard for tort liability is that if Party A puts Party B in a situation that requires expert knowledge to escape, and Party B fails to have or deploy that knowledge and is harmed as a result, Party A is still liable.

 

It's not unlike if you make a driving error and another driver could have saved the situation with expert driving--but didn't, and there's an accident. You're still liable even though if he'd been completely on the ball, he could have prevented it.

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Actually the death estimate is at least 30 and counting...

 

But for people who dont care about that (dont ask me why) here is this interesting nugget:

Texas wants Federal money to pay for people's multi-thousand dollar electric bills

 

Ya got that?   Nevermind they want Socialist Federal dollars for their energy grid that was specifically designed to be disconnected from the Federal grid - they dont want to use that money to upgrade the system and prevent this mess from happening again.   They want to use Federal dollars to pay off the price gouging electric company at the heart of the problem and make sure they get whats owed to them for their awesome service.

 

Once again its Venezeula and other peoples' money to the rescue for small government conservtives and their corrupt partners


30 deaths in Texas?  I think not.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

It's actually quite difficult to tell if someone's metabolism has slowed down so much that their life is in danger--unless you're a trained medical professional. Someone freezing to death would exhibit symptoms similar to being in a deep sleep.

 

Perhaps the parents could have been smarter about how they handled the situation. But they probably had zilch experience at dealing with a power outage in subzero weather. The standard for tort liability is that if Party A puts Party B in a situation that requires expert knowledge to escape, and Party B fails to have or deploy that knowledge and is harmed as a result, Party A is still liable.

 

It's not unlike if you make a driving error and another driver could have saved the situation with expert driving--but didn't, and there's an accident. You're still liable even though if he'd been completely on the ball, he could have prevented it.


Okay, now some parents don't understand that people die in the cold.  Is that the best that you can come with Kevin?  I'm sure you also argue that the reason that blacks suck as a group in standardized testing is because they don't have access to life experiences that white kids have.  In Kevin's world, only white parents understand that fire burns and cold freezes.  Black and poor people certainly can't comprehend this.

 

Oh my.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

30 deaths in Texas?  I think not.


My previous link says over 30 in Texas.   What link are you looking at?

Originally posted by: Boilerman

Okay, now some parents don't understand that people die in the cold.  Is that the best that you can come with Kevin?  I'm sure you also argue that the reason that blacks suck as a group in standardized testing is because they don't have access to life experiences that white kids have.  In Kevin's world, only white parents understand that fire burns and cold freezes.  Black and poor people certainly can't comprehend this.

 

Oh my.


You're the one performing the idiocy of bringing race into this, not me.

 

I'm saying that criticism of the child's parents is unjustified. I explained to you why. You don't merit any further discussion, especially when you do moronic shit like introduce race into a topic that has nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

30 deaths in Texas?  I think not.


Ignorance is bliss.

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