ICE Thug Murders Person In Minnesota

I don't think anything you said implied that you were "supporting the criminal," assuming that you were responding to Tom's evil little bleat.

It's clear that the victim fucked up by not immediately turning her car off and putting her hands over her head. Begging "Please, please don't shoot me" may have had the opposite effect...it may have titillated and provoked the killer, like a woman begging not to be raped might.

I don't blame her at all, though. Having a gun pointed at you is terrifying. She responded poorly. As we all might.

We now live in a country where being a protester puts you in mortal danger and it's imperative for EVERYBODY (not just protesters) to learn how to survive encounters with "law enforcement." I fear there may be exponentially more violence in the very near future.

One thing that the fucking Turd doesn't understand is that when the government attacks peaceful protestors, the next protestors might not be so peaceful. Next week, we might see Kent State on steroids.

I maintain there was  mistakes and bad decisions all around. They  don't have the constitutional authority to detain her or pull her out of the car in the first place. 

This has been a contentious topic ever since the Vietnam war, in that peaceful protest is constitutionally protected but violent protest is not...so is blocking roads, sidewalks, etc. still peaceful? Does it make a difference if the passages they're blocking are public or private?

I'm not, of course, saying that this woman should have been summarily executed, even if her blocking the road was unlawful. But such a violation--which would surely only be a misdemeanor--is being used to call her a criminal and even a terrorist, thus "justifying" the actions of the thugs.

ICE is federal agency and she was obstructing a federal matter so ICE could arrest her. 

Nothing would have happened if she didn't block traffic or follow instructions to get out of the car. Instead she taunted them and tried to run over an agent. 

Every police/citizen  confrontation that ended badly was because the person didn't follow police instructions. 

Again if you don't follow police instructions bad things can happen. 

Wait, Tom?  Are police, local or federal?  Are ICE "agents"......you have federal agency in your first sentence, police officers?  Was she shot by the police or ICE agents?  

Your first two sentences and your last two sentences are not related.....unless she was shot by local police for not following instructions.   But wasn't she shot by "Federal" ICE agents?

Basically, you didn't mean police, but law enforcement officers, correct?  ICE agents are considered law enforcement officers, not police officers. 

Always here to help.  You're welcome.  

I think it could certainly be argued that blocking the road crosses the line from a protest to possible criminal activity or a civil infraction. I think that largely depends on to what extent and how effectively the road is blocked, how available other routes are, and other factors.  

The video certainly does not tell the whole tale but in the video she didn't appear to be blocking the entire road. She was blocking about half of it. 

The question remains whether ice or cpb has jurisdiction over such crimes or infractions. I would say absent certain exigence circumstances they do not. 

If she was committing a crime how imminent of a threat or how critical of a crime was it? Did it require an immediate response or could they have gotten a description of the vehicle and suspect and contacted an agency with jurisdiction over such crime? Either the FBI or a local or state agency.

What kind of operation was she blocking? Was her impediment interfering with the imminent safety of others? Could the agents have simply turned around and went another way? There are still a lot of unanswered questions in that regard. 

Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers should only be able to arrest people suspected of immigration or customs law violations. The victim could not possibly have been suspected of either. Tom says "ICE is federal agency," so maybe he thinks that IRS or US postal service employees have the power to arrest people for any and all crimes? And to kill them if they try to escape?

OK, Tom, you am right. Trump be saying so.

I think it's clear that she wasn't blocking the road, even if that was her intent. And it didn't look like there were any people or moving cars near her when she was parked. The agents certainly didn't have to apprehend her then and there; they could and should have referred the matter to local law enforcement.

The facts of the case may be irrelevant. What matters is how the MAGA-controlled courts spin them. Tellingly, there has been no talk of arresting or prosecuting the three thugs.

I wonder if her relatives filing a civil suit against the thugs and ICE would have a snowball's chance in hell.

I certainly expect much more rationalization and justification. I previously alluded to Kent State. The killers then were "exonerated" by the absurd lie that they had been put in danger by the protestors. The gummint also pitched bullshit about the protestors posing a threat to bystanders and public property. They weren't called terrorists, as that term wasn't yet in common use. But other pejorative terms were used to justify the killings 

"The video certainly does not tell the whole tale but in the video she didn't appear to be blocking the entire road. She was blocking about half of it."

She had been caravaning around with her wife obstructing all day, this was just her current position on this road.  This wasn't her first blockade attempt.

Even if true, it doesn't warrant a summary execution. If you want to know the truth all you have to do is ask why Minnesota law-enforcement is being excluded?

All the recent shootings that had political implications were joint Federal/State investigations. The why is obvious. Team Trump realizes these folks violated Minnesota State law and these thugs would likely be facing very long prison sentence in the state of Minnesota if Minnesota is allowed to investigate. so here we have the federal government acting as a co-conspirator covering up crimes committed by federal agents.