ICE Thug Murders Person In Minnesota

Originally posted by: Inigo Montoya

"The video certainly does not tell the whole tale but in the video she didn't appear to be blocking the entire road. She was blocking about half of it."


She had been caravaning around with her wife obstructing all day, this was just her current position on this road.  This wasn't her first blockade attempt.


Yes. I have heard that but have not seen that backed up with any video or photo evidence yet. I am withholding my opinion about it until I see more information and evidence about it. If true it could certainly affect my evaluation of the situation. 

Originally posted by: Inigo Montoya

"The video certainly does not tell the whole tale but in the video she didn't appear to be blocking the entire road. She was blocking about half of it."


She had been caravaning around with her wife obstructing all day, this was just her current position on this road.  This wasn't her first blockade attempt.


Proof of that? It's been a MAGA/Fox Nooze/White House justification for the murder, but there's no evidence either way.

 

In any case, like George Floyd, she wasn't doing anything that warranted summary execution. Possibly violating the law, but a misdemeanor at most.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Proof of that? It's been a MAGA/Fox Nooze/White House justification for the murder, but there's no evidence either way.

 

In any case, like George Floyd, she wasn't doing anything that warranted summary execution. Possibly violating the law, but a misdemeanor at most.


 Driving into a person - law official or not- is an attack on that person. As seen on the video's, she drove into the officer - he fired in self defense. What was he supposed to do, allow her to plow him over without him responding? The result was/is tragic - but could/would have been avoidable if she had of complied with a lawful order to get out of her car. She initated the scenario when she shifted gears and accelerated forward.

Here is a question.  Why is she involved in the first place? 


Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

Here is a question.  Why is she involved in the first place? 


 It was her decision to be there doing what she did.

Originally posted by: David Miller

 Driving into a person - law official or not- is an attack on that person. As seen on the video's, she drove into the officer - he fired in self defense. What was he supposed to do, allow her to plow him over without him responding? The result was/is tragic - but could/would have been avoidable if she had of complied with a lawful order to get out of her car. She initated the scenario when she shifted gears and accelerated forward.


That's not what happened. I know that it's the MAGA narrative and you feel compelled to repeat it. But the videos show that while the thug was standing by the left front corner of the car, she turned her wheels to the right to try to get away.

 

Of COURSE they're pitching the narrative that she was trying to run the thug down. In MAGA minds, that justifies the execution.

Originally posted by: Jerry Ice 33

Here is a question.  Why is she involved in the first place? 


Does it really matter? Are you saying she didn't have the right to be there, because she was a radical liberal liberal radical left-wing narco-terrorist and she hadn't voted for Trump?

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

That's not what happened. I know that it's the MAGA narrative and you feel compelled to repeat it. But the videos show that while the thug was standing by the left front corner of the car, she turned her wheels to the right to try to get away.

 

Of COURSE they're pitching the narrative that she was trying to run the thug down. In MAGA minds, that justifies the execution.


 That is exactly what happened and is verified by the multiple videos shown across news media and throughout the internet. You can hear the car strike the officer as she accelerated  - as verified in the video. How else would anyone describe seeing and hearing the vehicle hitting him when it is obvious that is exactly what happened?

Originally posted by: David Miller

 That is exactly what happened and is verified by the multiple videos shown across news media and throughout the internet. You can hear the car strike the officer as she accelerated  - as verified in the video. How else would anyone describe seeing and hearing the vehicle hitting him when it is obvious that is exactly what happened?


It's actually obvious that she was trying to escape. You're ignoring the fact that she turned her wheels AWAY from the thug as she started to move. The contact with the thug was glancing and minor, as shown by the fact that he was still able to scamper over to the driver's side window and shoot her in the face. 

 

But you're going to twist the narrative to try to justify this killing no matter what I say or what the reality is. You're just being led around the nose by the MAGA media, albeit quite willingly.

Originally posted by: David Miller

 That is exactly what happened and is verified by the multiple videos shown across news media and throughout the internet. You can hear the car strike the officer as she accelerated  - as verified in the video. How else would anyone describe seeing and hearing the vehicle hitting him when it is obvious that is exactly what happened?


The video does show the agent getting hit by the car. The video does not show what was in the mind of the driver (or the agent) My speculation is that the driver's focus was on the agent attempting to open the door. I think she panicked, and tried to escape. I don't think she saw the other agent until it was too late. 

 

This does not mean that I necessarily fault the agent for making a decision to fire in that moment. It was reasonable to believe that he was in fear of great bodily injury. 

 

Certain questions remain as to what degree she was interfering with operations and what kind of operations. 

 

If it is determined that the detention was not reasonable then the agent loses his self-defense claim. If it is determined that the initial detention attempt was reasonable then The claim to self-defense will be maintained. 

 

For one's own safety it is generally advisable to comply with government agents when they attempt a detention. Even if one feels that detention is unlawful. Fleeing or fighting rarely ends well for anyone. 

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