ICE Thug Murders Person In Minnesota

We've remarked on the killer's unprofessional conduct. A real police officer would never have let that situation develop the way it did.

I believe that the events of the previous year have implanted in the minds of ICE agents that because the people they are persecuting are subhuman, they don't need to have any regard for their civil rights. Therefore, they can mete out violence with ample "justification."

A truly shocking number of MAGAs think, based on what they've repeatedly said, that civil and human rights apply only to Americans. That's why ICE utterly disregards due process, protections against search and seizure, procedures to identify suspects, and of course, whatever silly little rules say you shouldn't kill suspects on the spot even if you ARE mad at them.

So with that mindset firmly in place, they can extrapolate it to apply to anyone who gets in their way, brown person or not.

You're correct that when someone draws a gun, points it at you, and screams at you to get out of your car, you should do exactly that... immediately. It would help in these situations to yell "I love Dear Leader Trump!!" over and over, as that may add a couple of seconds to your life before they kill you anyway.

Most law enforcement personnel are highly professional. It used to be that police candidates were selected based on their ability to fight; to be violent when the situation called for it. Nowadays, they're selected for their ability to remain calm and de-escalate situations.

If that ICE thug had been trained that way, and not selected for his willingness to mete out violence, that poor woman would still be alive.

"he was still able to scamper over to the driver's side window and shoot her in the face"

Another kevin lie

He shot her in the head from the front as the shot went thru the windshield.  So he had to be in the front of the car

You're ignoring the fact that she turned her wheels AWAY from the thug as she started to move.

Only after she was shot which indicates the wheel was turned as a result of wound

Are you saying she didn't have the right to be there

Nobody is allowed to obstruct a federal operation.  

For all anybody knew she was blocking the street because there was a sniper

Nope. The videos show the thug firing the fatal shot from the left side of the car. He may have fired a previous shot through the windshield. Forensics will determine whether any shot he fired from the front missed or hit the victim.

Someone shot in the face would not be able to turn the steering wheel, or move the vehicle. So the chain of events was that she started to move the car TO ESCAPE, the thug was struck a glancing blow, and then he moved to the driver's side window and killed her.

Why are you trying to justify a murder? Trump isn't going to reward you for that.

The videos show the thug firing the fatal shot from the left side of the car. He may have fired a previous shot through the windshield.

The video evidence shows that there is only 1 bullet hole and it is in the windshield.  The headrest shows blood which is further evidence that the kill shot was from the front of the car.

With the hands on the wheel it is very likely she turned the wheel as she was shot.

kevin can continue to have his dreams

I generally agree. I think we might come to discover that the motivation behind the detention was not entirely justified. I think they were extremely frustrated and angry with her. They were trying to intimidate her into going away.

I think it's likely that her detention was not immediately necessary. If she was reasonably suspected of committing a federal crime the FBI should have been contacted. Maybe her actions rose to the level of obstruction maybe it did not. 

If one's interference or obstruction with ICE agents is putting someone at imminent risk of harm then detaining that person immediately is reasonable. If the alleged violation stems from following the agents around, alerting people to their presence, slowing down their movements, or just being an overall nuisance and isn't putting anybody at imminent risk of harm then there is no need to detain at the scene.

It seems more prudent to contact the FBI or other law enforcement agency with experience at investigating such crimes. The FBI is more experienced in investigating the nuance between protesting and obstructing. 

But as I've said this is mostly speculation on my part. I suspect that over the next several weeks and months we we'll have more information about the totality of the circumstances.

There is no video evidence that is conclusive about the chain of events. It will take detailed forensics to be certain.

The headrest would have copious blood on it, no matter which angle the shot came from. I mean, DUH.

A person shot in the face will not be able to make any movements. Paralysis and death are almost instantaneous. That AND the video evidence produce the conclusion that she turned the wheel BEFORE she was shot.

But I know what you're trying to do. You're trying to support the MAGA lie that she was trying to run the thug over. The evidence so far strongly suggests that she was trying to escape. Your Tom-logic is an attempt to excuse the murder--as Trump has ordered you to.

If the initial shot is determined to be justified then the additional shots will also be justified. It is all part of the same action.

The way that MAGA is dealing with this question is to follow Trump's suggestion that her mere presence there was a crime--just like he claims that having voted against him is a crime (not hyperbole on my part; he's said precisely that many times and that such people should be punished).

I'd like to return to the simple concept that an Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent should only be dealing with immigration and customs violations. That does not include breaking up anti-ICE protests, legal or illegal. What's actually happening is that untrained, unprofessional, racist thugs are usurping the role of law enforcement. That cannot but end badly.

ICE isn't allowed to shoot people for violating immigration and customs law any more than an IRS agent finding an error on your tax return during an audit can take a gun from his desk drawer and blow your head off. And they sure as hell aren't allowed to kill people for protesting.

Some evidence does suggest that the initial shot may have been from the front of the vehicle into the windshield. However, it is still too early to tell if that is what happened. We cannot tell from the picture whether the bullet hole in the windshield is an entry wound or an exit wound. 

I saw a slow motion video that appeared to show that the shot came after the agent was hit as the vehicle was moving to the right which would suggest the shot came into the side window. However sometimes audio and slowed videos can become out of sync. 

Honestly though I think that whether  the first shot came from the windshield or the side window doesn't really matter as to the analysis of the legal justification of the shooting.