Originally posted by: tom
However, I would still prefer that 2,000 murderers go free than one innocent person go to prison for murder.
I think the thousands of families who are victims of illegal murderers, rapists and other violent criminals would disagree
"Illegal murderers"...as opposed to "legal murderers"??
Oh yeah, Donald Trump!
Trump just pardoned 32 people this week including a second pardon for someone convicted of fraud. He pardoned her I his first term for a fraud conviction, She immediately committed fraud again and was convicted. Now he's pardoning her again.
fraud was the big mission statement for boosting troops in Minnesota. Or so he said. Yeah, he's full of shit like that.
Originally posted by: PJ Stroh
Trump just pardoned 32 people this week including a second pardon for someone convicted of fraud. He pardoned her I his first term for a fraud conviction, She immediately committed fraud again and was convicted. Now he's pardoning her again.
fraud was the big mission statement for boosting troops in Minnesota. Or so he said. Yeah, he's full of shit like that.
MAGA, in addition to being evil, is hypocritical. How many times have we heard Tom and David moan about some supposed crime in blue states that has been committed multiple times by their orange master, and they barked and clapped their flippers together?
Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW
And how would you feel if you or a family member was the one falsely accused and imprisoned? It could happen to anyone.
Under your theory we shouldn't put any criminals in jail because we may imprison an innocent person
Originally posted by: tom
Under your theory we shouldn't put any criminals in jail because we may imprison an innocent person
He didn't say that or anything close. Don't be an asshole--for a change.
Originally posted by: tom
Under your theory we shouldn't put any criminals in jail because we may imprison an innocent person
No. Under my theory every accused person receives a fair trial and an attorney. A jury trial conducted by the judicial branch.
Does this eliminate any possibility of the innocent being convicted? No. What it does do is reduce the chances of that happening as much as we can.
Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW
No. Under my theory every accused person receives a fair trial and an attorney. A jury trial conducted by the judicial branch.
Does this eliminate any possibility of the innocent being convicted? No. What it does do is reduce the chances of that happening as much as we can.
Tom may truly be so ignorant as to not understand why there are so many protections for people accused of crimes. He would have been in high heaven in Nazi Germany, where no guilty person was ever found innocent. The only downside of that noble policy was that no innocent person was ever found innocent, either.
I doubt that Tom shares your sentiment that an innocent person being declared guilty is a far greater wrong than a guilty person being declared innocent.
And in Nazi Germany, the trains ran on time!
Originally posted by: tom
Under your theory we shouldn't put any criminals in jail because we may imprison an innocent person
Ridiculous conclusion, even for you.
Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis
Tom may truly be so ignorant as to not understand why there are so many protections for people accused of crimes. He would have been in high heaven in Nazi Germany, where no guilty person was ever found innocent. The only downside of that noble policy was that no innocent person was ever found innocent, either.
I doubt that Tom shares your sentiment that an innocent person being declared guilty is a far greater wrong than a guilty person being declared innocent.
And in Nazi Germany, the trains ran on time!
That sort of attitude of "it won't happen to me" often reminds me of Pastor Martin Niemöller's "First They Came" speach when he expressed regret of his former silence/toleration of Nazi policies.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW
That sort of attitude of "it won't happen to me" often reminds me of Pastor Martin Niemöller's "First They Came" speach when he expressed regret of his former silence/toleration of Nazi policies.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
A powerful poem and one of my all-time favorites. Ich habe erst in der Universitat es gelernt, in der originelles Deutsch.
Niemoller was in fact part of a group that was eventually targeted: the clergy. The Pope's shameful complicity with the Nazis was intended to safeguard the Church's assets and its priests and pastors. That worked until...it didn't.
