I'm OK with so-called SNAP "moochers"

The Republipigs have always loved to depict social safety net programs as encouraging goofing off and laziness and farting and unsightly blemishes blah blah blah. Thus the current MAGA policy of denying food to anyone who doesn't work 20 hours a week. Let the lazy bums starve (SUBTEXT: AND WE KNOW THEY ALL VOTE DEMOCRAT SO LET'S KILL THEM OFF TO HELP REPUBLICANS ACHIEVE ONE-PARTY RULE)!

The trouble with that is:

1) These people have children, who will also starve.

2) There are millions of people on SNAP who CAN'T work 20 hours a week. What, for instance, would a single mother of a young child, or a full-time caregiver for an elderly person, do? Or someone with a disability that prevents employment?

The amount of SNAP benefits is trivial compared to the overall budget, which after all, contains items like $60 billion for Trump's gold leaf toilet paper. And the money doesn't just go poof. It helps keep grocery stores afloat, especially those in poorer areas.

And finally, for fuck's sake, if someone needs food, give them food, without asking whether they "deserve" it or not. In the richest country in the world, no one should starve, even if because of their own incompetence or laziness. But they sure as hell shouldn't be starved because they won't vote Republican!

    To qualify for SNAP benefits, households must generally have a gross monthly income at or below 130% of the federal poverty line ($1,696–$3,483+ for 1–4 people) and meet resource limits (typically $3,000 or less for households with elderly/disabled members, $4,500 otherwise). Applicants must be U.S. citizens or eligible non-citizens, and able-bodied adults (16–59) must meet work requirements. Key Eligibility Guidelines Income Limits (Effective Oct 1, 2025): 1-Person Household: $1,696 gross monthly income. 2-Person Household: $2,292 gross monthly income. 3-Person Household: $2,888 gross monthly income. 4-Person Household: $3,483 gross monthly income. Resource Limits: Resources (cash, bank accounts, some vehicles) must be under $3,000 for households with a member who is 60+ or disabled, or $4,500 otherwise. The home does not count as a resource. Work Requirements: Most adults aged 16–59 must register for work, look for a job, or participate in an employment and training program. Adults aged 18-54 with no children can only receive benefits for three months in a three-year period unless they work at least 20 hours a week.

What really confuses me are the people who are so vocal in their disdain for SNAP benefits but say nothing about all the Corporate Welfare programs that cost the taxpayers and economy way more money. And are just as, if not more susceptible to fraud and abuse.

Seems like if the goal is to actually make government more efficient and better serve THE PEOPLE.  We should start with corporate welfare since that's the bigger problem. 

The greatest country in the world really should be able to figure out how to ensure none of its people go hungry. Especially considering the fact that the government often purchases food from farmers to manipulate supply in the marketplace and a lot of that food ends up rotting in warehouses. 

As a libertarian I would eventually, maybe, like to look at our SNAP and other welfare programs and see if they could be phased out and replaced. Either with a different government program, or eventually with private charities. But if I'm making a list of government waste and abuse in order of priority, SNAP Is pretty far down on the list. I may or may not run out of paper before even adding it to said list. 

I agree, but you know, it's even more stark than that. SNAP funds go directly into the economy. Thus, they initiate the economic multiplier effect. Stores get more sales. They pay larger profits to their owners/shareholders. Those owners buy more product to sell. They expand store footage. They hire contractors. You can see how it all rolls. Yet, MAGA considers SNAP wasteful.

But what about WASTEFRAUDABUSE BELCHGRUNTSNORT? What if someone who doesn't "deserve" SNAP benefits gets them?

Big fuckin' deal. That money still goes right back into the economy. The economic multiplier effect still takes place. Everybody wins.

And as I said and as you alluded, I would rather see the children of even a "fraudulent" SNAP recipient eat than see them go hungry. So their parents are lazy bums. Does that mean they should starve?

These considerations, along with our superabundance of food that you mention, are precisely the reasons why we shouldn't be hyper-strict about who gets SNAP. The harm from an "undeserving" person getting those benefits is dwarfed by the harm from someone going hungry. That's not dissimilar to the real reason we've been historically lax on immigration.

Of course, the Republipig crusade against SNAP has nothing to do with fiscal prudence and everything to do with Trump's obsession with "retribution" against the people who didn't vote for him.

In 2019 SNAP budget was $74B and in 2024 it was $132B; a 78% increase.  At the same time kevin and company were telling us the economy was great.

Hard to believe this huge increase was all legit nad not being funnelled into somali like scams,

kevin's logic that this money is good for the economy even if it is fraud.  That is like saying robbing a bank is good for the economy because the robber is going to buy a car.

Fraud is fraud and is illegal.  Only an idiot like kevin says crime is good.

Examples:

https://www.aol.com/finance/federal-agents-recover-100k-alleged-113000276.html

Rollins said the number of dead people receiving SNAP benefits was actually 186,000. Rollins said her department made the findings from SNAP recipient data from 29 states that the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) requested at the start of Rollins' tenure

SNAP Scams SNAP fraud can also occur when criminals steal SNAP benefits for their own personal gain via card skimming, card cloning, and other scams, often involving high-tech tools

Fraudulent SNAP transactions increased by 55 percent between the final quarter of fiscal year 2024 and the first quarter of fiscal year 2025, according to data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Food and Nutrition Service.

In New York, law enforcement recently uncovered a $66 million criminal scheme involving a USDA employee. In Ohio, three Columbus residents were recently charged in connection with a $600,000 SNAP theft.

We should start with corporate welfare since that's the bigger problem.

What is your definition of "corporate welfare"

Stupid Tom, if people fraudulently obtain food, that's still better than them starving. And it's certainly better than their children starving.

That concept might be utterly beyond you.

Do a Google search on "Trump tax breaks "

The examples I supplied showed that this money is outright stolen and not by "starving people.  There are no "starving people" in the US

There are NO exceptions in US law for stealing.

"Trump tax breaks

Examples? 

I directed the question to Livefree

No, you provided no proof. You didn't show shit. But you never do.

Trump cutting corporate taxes in half and creating multi-trillion-dollar deficits is corporate welfare. DUHHHHH, stupid Tom.

Your statement that nobody in the US is starving is utterly naive and grossly stupid, even for you. But let's change that to "going hungry." Poor nutrition, food insecurity, occasionally not having enough to eat. Do you really want anybody to experience that? Do you really think people should go hungry just because they didn't vote for Trump? Are you that cold and cruel?

Your orange master certainly is. I guess you have no choice but to copycat him.