I'm OK with so-called SNAP "moochers"

The most obese income group are the lowest 2 income groups at almost 40%.  So much for starving people - kevin started using this term not me

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/237141/us-obesity-by-annual-income/

Originally posted by: tom

The most obese income group are the lowest 2 income groups at almost 40%.  So much for starving people - kevin started using this term not me

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/237141/us-obesity-by-annual-income/


And had you done any actual research instead of cutting and pasting a link to an article that appealed to you--hell, if you had actually read that article--you might have learned that people who are poor and/or suffer from food insecurity consume lots of "junk/empty calories"--sugar, fats, salt, and so forth, not nutritious foods. Fruits and vegetables are expensive compared to the junk food. So poor people who can barely make ends meet tend to buy cheap junk food to make the calories stretch. At least they'll feel full. But health problems, including obesity, ensue.

 

So yes, despite Trump/MAGA's strenuous efforts to bring it about, outright starvation is RELATIVELY rare in America. But malnutrition? Rampant.

 

But hey, I'm willing to use "depriving people of nutritious food" instead of "starving" if you prefer. It's stone cold evil either way, and it's reprehensible of you to support it.

Originally posted by: tom

We should start with corporate welfare since that's the bigger problem.

 

What is your definition of "corporate welfare"


It is generally a reference to when government uses subsidies and/or the tax code to pick winners or losers in the marketplace. Carving out subsidies and tax cuts to benefit specific companies or industries to the detriment of others. Also when government abuses imminent domain law to take  property from individuals to give to private corporations. 

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

It is generally a reference to when government uses subsidies and/or the tax code to pick winners or losers in the marketplace. Carving out subsidies and tax cuts to benefit specific companies or industries to the detriment of others. Also when government abuses imminent domain law to take  property from individuals to give to private corporations. 


So...like tariffing imports to give domestic producers of the same commodities a competitive advantage? That's basically taxing consumers of imported products in order to bolster the fortunes of favored companies. Seems to me like such favoritism reduces the quality of goods, as the beneficiaries no longer have to provide the best and most cost-effective products.

 

Boy, imagine what kind of crap cars we'd be driving now if our government had tried to tariff-block Japanese cars in the 70s and 80s. Nothing we drive would last 100,000 miles.


Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

So...like tariffing imports to give domestic producers of the same commodities a competitive advantage? That's basically taxing consumers of imported products in order to bolster the fortunes of favored companies. Seems to me like such favoritism reduces the quality of goods, as the beneficiaries no longer have to provide the best and most cost-effective products.

 

Boy, imagine what kind of crap cars we'd be driving now if our government had tried to tariff-block Japanese cars in the 70s and 80s. Nothing we drive would last 100,000 miles.


 

I would call excessive tariffs horrible, dangerous policy. They are a threat to the economy and to peace/diplomacy. (Often where goods don't cross borders soldiers will).

 

I would also say that any tariffs brought by the executive branch, i.e the president, are unconstitutional. Tax policy belongs to the legislative branch and must originate in the House of Representatives. 

 

However, I would generally be somewhat hesitant to describe it as corporate welfare. Simply because it is my opinion that the supposed benefit to domestic producers rarely if ever actually pans out. Those domestic producers are often cut out of the world's marketplace because the other countries have increased their tariffs in retaliation. The economies of all countries stagnate. 

 

Well, yeah, the intent may be somewhat hard to deduce, but the effect is to use tax policy to favor some sectors at the expense of others. That's the definition of government welfare--to use government money to prop up some while penalizing others. On the individual benefit map, welfare is meant to level an inherently unfair playing field. So in order to "justify" idiot tariffs, you have to bleat that trade--trade itself-- is inherently unfair, which is exactly what the Orange Fucktard has been doing.

 

You're 100 percent correct that the Turdiffs, enacted without the consent of Congress, are illegal and unconstitutional.

 

As far as who benefits vs. who gets kicked in the nuts...domestic producers that don't use imported anything, including raw materials, energy, etc. would benefit by obtaining a competitive advantage...unless their product was inferior in quality, making consumers willing to pay the increased prices of competitive goods. The trouble is, there are in fact very, very few domestic producers who use no imported products of any kind.

 

Who gets kicked in the nuts? Importers, obviously, but also exporters. A Martian landing on Earth and observing the Turdiffs would naturally conclude that they are meant to destroy the American soybean industry. Other sectors as well, of course.

 

We cannot rule out that Turdiffs are the product of American corporations visiting the White House, genuflecting, and begging the Turd to blot out that nasty ol' competition. A few bags of gold coins accompanying the begging, of course. That's what the auto industry tried when Japanese auto manufacturers were cleaning their clocks. Good thing that Reagan wasn't a fan of tariffs.

Edited on Jan 1, 2026 11:56am
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