In The Dead Of Night Republicans Sneak In A Billion Dollars For Trump’s Ballroom

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

I get all that.  But...but...but...when Congress "votes" to approve spending on something not previously accounted for, does that exempt dunning the people, the taxpayers, from being taxed to make the spending happen? 

 

Where does the money come from the build the ballroom, or anything.  Is there a general fund within which the spending is drawn from WITHOUT it costing taxpayers more than already planned?

 

I hope I am getting my question across.  I mean no trouble.

 

Candy


Candy, first of all, increased spending in and of itself doesn't necessarily increase taxation or the necessity therefor. It will increase the deficit if the government doesn't increase its revenue in a commensurate amount. That can be accomplished by either increased taxation or increased borrowing.

 

Like anyone who runs a household or a business, there are two equally important components to any budget: revenue and spending. Our government is running at a deficit because Trump, MAGA, and their cronies drastically reduced taxes on corporations and the rich. HOWEVER, because their propaganda is centered on excusing themselves for every awful and stupid thing they do, they continually bleat about HORRIBUL HORRIBUL GUMMINT SPENDIN and ignore the fact that their tax breaks for the rich are the reason the government is perpetually short of money and has to borrow.

 

So to answer your question, yes, the taxpayers foot the bill eventually, in one way or another. Any increased spending must be covered by increased revenue (taxation) or increased borrowing. And re the latter, one mostly unnoticed aspect of Trump's mismanagement of the economy is that T-bills aren't selling as well as usual and their net yields are down. In order to keep coddling the rich, we're going to have to pay a better interest rate to keep those T-Bills selling, and that in turn will require more spending to pay the higher interest. It can be and has been, historically, a death spiral for many countries.

 

Even if there was a dedicated "fund" to renovate/blow up the White House, the money would still come and have come out of our pockets. There's no such fund, though, and any renovations outside of normal maintenance have had to be approved by Congress, either separately or as part of the annual budget.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

 .......Our government is running at a deficit because Trump, MAGA, and their cronies drastically reduced taxes on corporations and the rich......


Well to be fair the last time the federal government didn't have a deficit was the four year period of 1998 - 2001. 

 

That's back when "MAGA" was just the glimmer in the eyes of two fascist at a David Duke rally. 

 

Unfortunately the federal government being in a budget deficit is the norm not the exception.

Since 2000 fed spending has increased at double the rate of inflation

 

Revenue has increased at 2.1% per year. 

If spending increased at the rate of inflation the budget would still be balanced. 

It is a spending problem, not a revenue problem. 

Originally posted by: tom

Since 2000 fed spending has increased at double the rate of inflation

 

Revenue has increased at 2.1% per year. 

If spending increased at the rate of inflation the budget would still be balanced. 

It is a spending problem, not a revenue problem. 


I agree, for the most part. 


Originally posted by: tom

Since 2000 fed spending has increased at double the rate of inflation

 

Revenue has increased at 2.1% per year. 

If spending increased at the rate of inflation the budget would still be balanced. 

It is a spending problem, not a revenue problem. 


It's both, idiot. You're a MAGA moron and you feel you have to parrot them.

 

Even a child can understand that when you run out of money, it's because you aren't earning enough, you are spending too much, or both. You seem to have trouble understanding that.

 

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

I agree, for the most part. 


Oh, come on. You fell for a Tom-stat.

 

He conveniently ignored the fact that REVENUE hasn't kept pace with inflation. If we had kept the ore-2018 I corporate and wealthy tax rates where they were, revenue would have outpaced inflation and we wouldn't have the current huge deficit 

 

Stupid Tom is only looking at one side of the equation, because if he looked at revenue, he'd see that his orange master's tax breaks for corporations and the rich are the real problem.

 

But don't believe me! Compare government revenues pre- and post- Turd taxation (2018 and onward);and see the harm that was done.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Oh, come on. You fell for a Tom-stat.

 

He conveniently ignored the fact that REVENUE hasn't kept pace with inflation. If we had kept the ore-2018 I corporate and wealthy tax rates where they were, revenue would have outpaced inflation and we wouldn't have the current huge deficit 

 

Stupid Tom is only looking at one side of the equation, because if he looked at revenue, he'd see that his orange master's tax breaks for corporations and the rich are the real problem.

 

But don't believe me! Compare government revenues pre- and post- Turd taxation (2018 and onward);and see the harm that was done.


I don't think I "fell" for anything. 

 

I chose my words carefully. I, for the most part, agree with the sentiment that it is largely a spending problem more than a revenue problem. 

 

Of course it is technically both a revenue and spending problem which is why I did not say that I fully agree. 

Yet, you lean in the Tom/MAGA direction.

 

What I asked you to do is compare the impacts of the deliberate revenue shrinkage of 2018 and onward with the spending increases thereafter. Compare the numbers.

 

I should also remark that MAGA's crusade against TERRIBUL GUMMINT SPENDIN is false and hypocritical, because they're fine with spending that supports their agenda. And of course, not a peep about the $1:billion a day Trump war.

 

I would like to know why you consider the current mess a spending rather than a revenue problem. I consider it a revenue problem because the government is collecting several trillion dollars less from th wealthy and big corporations. Looking at the numbers, that dwarfs any spending increases.

 

People (like stupid Tom, Millerscum, et al) will say that my stance is political because I'm a liberal and love government spending blah blah. It's nothing of the kind. I'm simply looking at the numbers and leaving philosophy out of it.

 

The ongoing MAGA (faux) outrage against spending is very much like a husband/father deciding to work four days a week instead of five and then screaming at his wife for blowing the budget on bread and milk and paying the power bill.

Edited on May 6, 2026 12:04pm

I would put the emphasis on it being a revenue problem. However there's no doubt that the federal government wastes a lot of money on stupid shit. Like spending $1 billion on a gold filigree and marble filled ballroom when most Americans are paying more than $5 a gallon in gas. 

Originally posted by: Mark

I would put the emphasis on it being a revenue problem. However there's no doubt that the federal government wastes a lot of money on stupid shit. Like spending $1 billion on a gold filigree and marble filled ballroom when most Americans are paying more than $5 a gallon in gas. 


Don't forget the Trump Arch, with a projected cost that will dwarf that of the Gold Turd Room. We don't know how much the accompanying Trump statue will cost, because we don't know whether it will be 200 feet high or taller than that.

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