Incoming New Trump Gas Taxes

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

Aaahhh, that's why you're always bellyaching about CA, they got you by the balls. Colorado has a refinery.


That's what I meant when I told dumdum Tom that no state is forced to buy gas from California. Clearly, those horrible horrible prices aren't enough of an incentive for them to get their gas elsewhere or produce it themselves.

 

And as I said, Arizonans don't pay the taxes at the pump that make CA gas (retail) so expensive. So Tom's bitch bitch bitch is pretty empty and stupid. Like Tom himself.

Originally posted by: LiveFreeNW

Have you considered petitioning your State to ease the restrictions on building new refineries? If Arizona had a refinery and the state that might help. Your state governments refusal to allow a refinery probably affects gas prices in the state more than anything California does.


But this way, they can blame them California liberals!

 

Arizona isn't powerless, as Tom implies. If the cost of that awful California gas truly bothers them, they have multiple remedies.

 

Besides, how much gas does a state where the primary mode of transport is electric golf carts really need??

Originally posted by: tom

Never said that


A...duh...wha....WHAT?!?!?

Aaahhh, that's why you're always bellyaching about CA, they got you by the balls. Colorado has a refinery.

 

There isn't a pipeline from Colorado.  Will the fuel arrive from colorado on a magic carpet?

 

Arizonans don't pay the taxes at the pump that make CA gas (retail) so expensive.

 

kevin is so stupid.  The problem is that Ca restrictions have made it impossible for refineries to remain open; so they are being closed.  This in turn creates a shortage and shortages create price hikes.

 

they have multiple remedies.

 

Such as?

 

There is a pipeline from Texas but it is already at 100% capacity.

 

If Arizona had a refinery and the state that might help.

 

And where would the oil for this refinery come from?  Az doesn't have any oil wells nor a port, so a 1,000 mile pipeline would have to be built.  Pipelines take years to build and refineries can take up to 10 years to build.

 

The quickest and best solution would would be to lift the restrictions in Ca on their already constructed refineries

 

Here is some examples

California refineries are subject to profit caps to manage the state's energy market. The California Energy Commission (CEC) has imposed a profit cap on gasoline refiners to control price volatility and ensure a stable fuel supply. This cap was part of a law signed by Governor Gavin Newsom in 2023

 

On October 14, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed bill Abx2-1 into law, empowering California regulators to set and adjust minimum petroleum product inventory levels for refiners in the state,

 

WSPA is opposing proposed changes to the California Air Resources Board’s Cap-and-Invest Program that sets limits on industrial emissions that would take effect in early 2027 Letter sent to Newsom, legislative leaders, California Energy Commission and CARB Annual compliance costs could reach $1.5 billion by 2035 and cost $5-$9 billion over the next 10 years: WSPA citing research by Capitol Matrix Consulting

Edited on Mar 3, 2026 5:38am

Stupid Tom thinks that gasoline and/or oil can only be transported via pipelines.

 

Idiot.

Originally posted by: tom

Aaahhh, that's why you're always bellyaching about CA, they got you by the balls. Colorado has a refinery.

 

There isn't a pipeline from Colorado.  Will the fuel arrive from colorado on a magic carpet?

 

 


Of course not, I don't want to send CO fuel anywhere, keep it here and keep the price low.

 

They do blend it for our higher altitude as well.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

Stupid Tom thinks that gasoline and/or oil can only be transported via pipelines.

 

Idiot.


Most efficient way.  A barrell of oil is 40 gallons and an oil truck can hold 4,000 gallons or 80 barrells.  An oil pipeline can send 1m barrells per day or 40m gallons.  We would need several thousand more trucks .

 

Math continues to be a problem for kevin

Originally posted by: tom

Most efficient way.  A barrell of oil is 40 gallons and an oil truck can hold 4,000 gallons or 80 barrells.  An oil pipeline can send 1m barrells per day or 40m gallons.  We would need several thousand more trucks .

 

Math continues to be a problem for kevin


I didn't say that a pipeline isn't the most efficient way to move oil. But pipelines can't be built magically out of thin air in five minutes. There are already thousands of trucks everywhere.

 

Plus, stupid Tom, have you ever heard of railroads? Those things that go "choo choo"?:You have them in Desert Shitland!

 

Stupid Tom.

Originally posted by: MaxFlavor

Of course not, I don't want to send CO fuel anywhere, keep it here and keep the price low.

 

They do blend it for our higher altitude as well.


Are there folks there who complain and whine and bitch and moan about the added cost of that blend, the way Tom does about the cost of CA gas pollution control blends?

 

When I lived in Durango many years ago, I remember everybody was THRILLED at the advent of a gas blend that would let us more easily get over all those 11,000 foot passes.

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