Isn't this cute Trump wants to give every illegal that graduates college a green card

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

I'm aware of all that.  Wish I could wave a magic wand.

 

I can only quote something I read today and have no better words:

 

"We live in an era defined and overwhelmed by grievance--by too many Americans' obsession with how they've been wronged and their insistence on wallowing in ire.  This anger relects a pessimism that previous generations didn't feel.  The ascent of identity politics and the influence of social media...are better at inflaming us than uniting us.  They promote a self-obsession at odds with community, civility, comity and compromise."  Sad, but IMHO true.  [Italics are mine.]

 

BTW, just yesterday a lone gunman opened fire at a grocery store in a small town in my state.  Killed 3, including a small child.  Injured 10, conditions from stable to critially ill now.  He was shot by police before he could do more damage, survived and identified.  NOT an "illegal", BTW.  The grocery store is the only one in the city, a major source of jobs and groceries for the town.  It is closed, of course, probably for days/weeks, and low likelihood of being able to bounce back from the loss of revenue.  

 

How many readers and link posters have been personally involved/affected by some of those 'living in tents, hotels, and on the streets"?  Not that I doubt the truth of those news links (though now I have to have a grain of  doubt as to the full veracity of many of those).   

 

Surely nobody believes that all crime is committed by illegal migrants, and none by American citizens. 

 

Candy 


Actually, Candy, if you read Boiler's posts, you'll see that he believes that all immigrants/migrants are "illegals"...if you read Tom's posts, you'll see that he believes that there are FAR more FURRINERS in this country than is actually the case, and they are all violent criminals...if you read Miller's posts, you'll see that he believes we have "open borders" and there was no "immigration crisis" when Trump was President.

 

You might think that we just have a small collection of loons here and their opinions don't reflect those of the general public. Sadly, their opinions are actually typical, at least when you consider the MAGA crowd, You might ask yourself, why the rabid hatred? Why the irrational vitriol? Why the demonization of people who, for the most part, just want to come here to find a better life? Aren't we supposed to admire that?

 

The answer is pretty sad. One of the most reliable grievance tools in the RepubliQ/conservitard/MAGA arsenal is "replacement theory," which refers to a mythical grand conspiracy to replace white people with brown and black people. This absurdity becomes believable to them because it ties in nicely with racial hatred. Short answer: if you're already a bigot, it's an easy sell that the "others" are criminals and rapists and murderers and are all out to get you. The sadly hilarious part is that the identity of the targeted people doesn't even matter! If it wasn't Hispanics, it would be Asians. Or Jews. Or Indonesians. Or left-handed people. Or people with red hair. 

 

To answer your implied question, how does migration and homelessness affect me personally, my answer is..not at all! If I'm at home, sitting in my basement, bored, like Tom or Boiler or Miller, it can be a source of manufactured outrage, but in reality, it doesn't affect my life, other than maybe it makes me sad to see all those folks living in tents. For what it's worth, I've contributed thousands of dollars to homeless shelters and the like, but I know it's just a drop in the bucket. I know that our mild weather here in Portland, combined with skyrocketing housing costs, create the problem...and yeah, we don't go crusading against them, round them up, put them into camps, shoot them, etc,. since we're nice people here and no politician is going to score brownie points by doing stuff like that.

 

And let's not forget that the Republican party has recently proved that they would rather leave immigration as a problem that can be used as a political football rather than do anything to actually solve it.

'living in tents, hotels, and on the streets"?

(though now I have to have a grain of doubt as to the full veracity of many of those).

 

https://www.costar.com/article/1900939477/more-than-16000-nyc-hotel-rooms-used-to-accommodate-unhoused-migrants

 

 

Here is the tent city on Randalls island being built.  Note the soccer fields being dismantled

https://nypost.com/2023/08/20/randalls-island-migrant-shelter-built-on-youth-soccer-fields-already-massively-expanded-gets-first-asylum-seekers/

 

An example of crime on Randalls Island

https://www.yahoo.com/news/feuding-migrant-groups-brawl-randall-045033286.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

 

Not deported

https://nypost.com/2024/05/14/us-news/migrants-charged-in-attack-on-nypd-cops-in-times-square-offered-plea-deals/

 

Brooklyn

https://nypost.com/2024/01/14/metro/city-will-probe-any-lawlessness-by-migrants-at-bennett-floyd-field/

 

Yonkers

https://nypost.com/2024/04/11/us-news/wild-footage-shows-unruly-migrant-mob-scuffling-with-ny-cops-at-shelter/

 

Roosevelt Hotel in Manhattan where people sleep on the street

https://nypost.com/2023/09/03/41-people-have-been-arrested-at-nycs-migrant-roosevelt-hotel-since-may-sources/#:~:text=At%20least%2041%20people%20have%20been%20arrested%20at,stemmed%20from%20domestic-violence%20incidents%2C%20law-enforcement%20sources%20said%20Sunday.

 

Surely nobody believes that all crime is committed by illegal migrants

 

We have enough problems with our criminals without importing new ones. But if the illegals had not been allowed in the country then those people would still be alive.

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3055241/biden-migrant-crime-wave-heats-up/

Edited on Jun 22, 2024 10:26am

It's sad to see Tom try to justify his racial hatred.

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

I'm aware of all that.  Wish I could wave a magic wand.

 

I can only quote something I read today and have no better words:

 

"We live in an era defined and overwhelmed by grievance--by too many Americans' obsession with how they've been wronged and their insistence on wallowing in ire.  This anger relects a pessimism that previous generations didn't feel.  The ascent of identity politics and the influence of social media...are better at inflaming us than uniting us.  They promote a self-obsession at odds with community, civility, comity and compromise."  Sad, but IMHO true.  [Italics are mine.]

 

BTW, just yesterday a lone gunman opened fire at a grocery store in a small town in my state.  Killed 3, including a small child.  Injured 10, conditions from stable to critially ill now.  He was shot by police before he could do more damage, survived and identified.  NOT an "illegal", BTW.  The grocery store is the only one in the city, a major source of jobs and groceries for the town.  It is closed, of course, probably for days/weeks, and low likelihood of being able to bounce back from the loss of revenue.  

 

How many readers and link posters have been personally involved/affected by some of those 'living in tents, hotels, and on the streets"?  Not that I doubt the truth of those news links (though now I have to have a grain of  doubt as to the full veracity of many of those).   

 

Surely nobody believes that all crime is committed by illegal migrants, and none by American citizens. 

 

Candy 


Don't forget about the 22 children who have been killed by gun violence the first 21 days of June.  I taught children who were in the country illegally.  They were some of my best students.  They took education serious and did their homework.  The children were best behaved.  ELL classes were the most prized in the school.  Also, they learn English quickly.  Allow those with asylum claims to get work permits to do the jobs that the  Make America White Again party members won't do.  A study from the CATO institute about illegal immigration and crime in Texas in 2019 found that illegal immigrants were 37.1% less likely to be convcited of a crime.  Greg Abbott must have fallen out of his wheel chair.  You'll never hear that from the Trump clan with 82% of them agreeing with the neo-nazi statement that illegal immigrants poison the blood of the country.  https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2020-10/working-paper-60.pdf


Originally posted by: Robert Davis

Don't forget about the 22 children who have been killed by gun violence the first 21 days of June.  I taught children who were in the country illegally.  They were some of my best students.  They took education serious and did their homework.  The children were best behaved.  ELL classes were the most prized in the school.  Also, they learn English quickly.  Allow those with asylum claims to get work permits to do the jobs that the  Make America White Again party members won't do.  A study from the CATO institute about illegal immigration and crime in Texas in 2019 found that illegal immigrants were 37.1% less likely to be convcited of a crime.  Greg Abbott must have fallen out of his wheel chair.  You'll never hear that from the Trump clan with 82% of them agreeing with the neo-nazi statement that illegal immigrants poison the blood of the couners of dtry.  https://www.cato.oreadvyhrg/sites/cato.org/files/2020-10/working-paper-60.pdf


I've taught ELL students as well, and I concur with your evaluation. And I'm not filled with shivers of dread that all them brown people are "replacing" me (if they are, so what? I like tacos).

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I've taught ELL students as well, and I concur with your evaluation. And I'm not filled with shivers of dread that all them brown people are "replacing" me (if they are, so what? I like tacos).


My school is predominantly Hispanic, with a high percentage of EL students.  Great kids that want to do well, despite the fact that their parents don't speak any or very much English.  Parents are also very involved and want to know what they can do to help their children succeed in school. 

 

IDK, maybe I'm jaded.  I am the son of an immigrant (was actually born in Germany) and was my mom's English interpreter until I was about 7.  My best friend is Hispanic, whose parents were both from Mexico.  He owns an environmental services company.  His sister is a corporate lawyer in San Francisco.  

 

There are a lot more examples of immigrants (legal and illegal) that ended up doing great things in this country, than those that do despicable things.  Kind of funny that people want to hate on immigrants when this country was actually founded by immigrants.  

Originally posted by: tom

Candy - what are we supposed to do with the 8+m that biden let into the country?  Most are living in tents , hotels and on the streets. They don't speak English & have limited education. How about the illegals that just raped two 13 year olds in Queens, the illegal who just cut up a 12 year old girl, the illegal who killed the mother of 5 & the illegal truck driver who killed a driver.  All this happened this week.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ny-migrant-crisis-spending-which-is-at-nearly-2-billion-is-unsustainable-gov-says/ar-AA1j6QRX

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/09/nyregion/adams-nyc-migrants-cost.html

 


I'm sorry, Tom.  I didn't answer your question specifically, "what are we supposed to do with the 8+m that biden let into the country?"  They live in tents, hotels, on the streets, don't speak English & have limited education.

 

What are you to do?  Your question provides things that you and I, as individual citizens, can do:

 - Research organizations that provide support "to the least of these" as Jesus asks us to do, and find one or more to volunteer with.  Food banks, Salvation Army, Goodwill, faith-based, numerous opportunities to add a grain of support, including money donations.  

 - Look, ask, who needs help?  Libraries, police, schools, shelters, prisons.  It takes one willing volunteer to get something going.  Learn a new language.  How do you say "hello" in Spanish?  There is likely one or more movements not too far from you who need willing spirits to take part in their missions.

 - Police are acutely aware of where help is needed.  Offer your help, organize a community picnic, recruit students who need community work for school points.  Hot dogs and soda, hygiene stations.  

 - Get some barbers interested in a Free Haircut Fair; dentists to do some basic oral care, clinics willing to devote a day to basic health screenings and teaching.

 

Sometimes you don't know what to do, until you ask somebody.  Somebody knows something and can get something started. just need manpower.

 

Not a total solution, but we can't sit a gripe without taking part in the solution.  Forget the political stuff.  Just set about helping somebody.  One at a time.

 

Candy  

 

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

I'm sorry, Tom.  I didn't answer your question specifically, "what are we supposed to do with the 8+m that biden let into the country?"  They live in tents, hotels, on the streets, don't speak English & have limited education.

 

What are you to do?  Your question provides things that you and I, as individual citizens, can do:

 - Research organizations that provide support "to the least of these" as Jesus asks us to do, and find one or more to volunteer with.  Food banks, Salvation Army, Goodwill, faith-based, numerous opportunities to add a grain of support, including money donations.  

 - Look, ask, who needs help?  Libraries, police, schools, shelters, prisons.  It takes one willing volunteer to get something going.  Learn a new language.  How do you say "hello" in Spanish?  There is likely one or more movements not too far from you who need willing spirits to take part in their missions.

 - Police are acutely aware of where help is needed.  Offer your help, organize a community picnic, recruit students who need community work for school points.  Hot dogs and soda, hygiene stations.  

 - Get some barbers interested in a Free Haircut Fair; dentists to do some basic oral care, clinics willing to devote a day to basic health screenings and teaching.

 

Sometimes you don't know what to do, until you ask somebody.  Somebody knows something and can get something started. just need manpower.

 

Not a total solution, but we can't sit a gripe without taking part in the solution.  Forget the political stuff.  Just set about helping somebody.  One at a time.

 

Candy  

 


Candy, Tom has not the least interest in helping. He'd rather bitch and gripe. Even though the presence of homeless/migrants/other ''subhumans'' doesn't affect him personally. What are "we" to do when there are people who need help? Does that question even need to be asked?

 

WE HELP THEM.

 

When Tom talks about the 48 trillion (I forget what his latest fantasy number is) people that "Biden let into the country," he's acting as if they ALL entered illegally and they ALL wouldn't be here if big bold strong noble Donald Trump was in charge. That's poppycock, of course. But his idiot bleating obscures any actual analysis of the issue.

 

To state the obvious, I absolutely loathe Tom and his kind's small-minded pettiness and bigotry. He acts SOOOO put out because he drives down the street and sees people living in tents. Sorry, Tom, but I have more sympathy for the people in the tents than I do you.

 

And yes, Candy, helping the homeless with basic living needs would be relatively simply, painless, and cheap. If only conservitards like Tom weren't constantly demonizing them (maybe simply to somehow score anti-Biden points, but I doubt that the homeless give a flying crap about who is President).

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