It's easier to fool a man, than it is to convince him he was fooled.

"It is harder to stop a quarrel once it begins, so don't let it happen."

                                                        Prov 17:14 (TLB paraphrased)

"The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: Therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with."

                                                        Prov 17:14 (King James translation)

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

"It is harder to stop a quarrel once it begins, so don't let it happen."

                                                        Prov 17:14 (TLB paraphrased)

"The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: Therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with."

                                                        Prov 17:14 (King James translation)


Does the Bible address how to deal with evil people who actively hurt others, like Trump? Is it a good idea to just ignore and not fight them?

A good idea?  Yes the Bible addresses evil.

 

Seek and ye shall find.  Look through Proverbs.  I'm sure Solomon addressed that very thing.  Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.  The Beatitudes.  The Ten Commandments.  Lots of informative scripture.  Requires study, context, application to situations though. 

Edited on Nov 11, 2025 3:21pm
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

A good idea?  Yes the Bible addresses evil.

 

Seek and ye shall find.  Look through Proverbs.  I'm sure Solomen addressed that very thing.  Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.  The Beatitudes.  The Ten Commandments.  Lots of informative scripture.  Requires study, context, application to situations though. 


Active vs. passive. I somehow find myself in the same room with Adolf Hitler...or Pol Pot...or Jeffrey Dahmer...or Donald Trump. And I have a loaded gun.

 

Now, am I morally obligated to kill that person to alleviate/forestall the suffering of multitudes, as the Bible would say? Or is it thou shalt not kill, no matter what? What if you're a soldier? What if you're a cop? What if someone is trying to rape your daughter? What if the meter maid is writing you a parking ticket?

 

The Bible lays out absolutes that are somehow supposed to be applicable in a morally gray world. Thou shalt not steal. So I'm in Poland in 1943 and I see a truck full of canisters of Zyklon B, idling by the side of the road while its driver is taking a leak. Do I steal the truck and push it into a river, knowing I'm saving thousands of lives by doing so? Or do I consult my Bible and read, "Thou shalt not steal" ?

 

Similarly, if I were to pull the trigger in any of the above situations, and I was punished by God or Odin or the Holy Belcher Wack Wack or whoever ultimately proves to be in charge, I would tell them that their moral code isn't worth a jar of warm spit.


You should join a Bible study group.  Seriously!  People have those questions all the time.   Good for group discussion if you have a credible learned leader, someone who has studied Bible (usually a pastor), in your case Christian, at least for a jumping off place.  You'd be great in such a group.

 

Candy

Edited on Nov 11, 2025 3:26pm
Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

You should join a Bible study group.  Seriously!  People have those questions all the time.   Good for group discussion if you have a credible learned leader, someone who has studied Bible (usually a pastor), in your case Christian, at least for a jumping off place.  You'd be great in such a group.

 

Candy


The trouble with such groups is:

 

They assume the Bible is the sacred word from on high, and every word is, well, gospel truth--when in reality, it is a compilation of legends, fables, allegorical tales, poetry, and some history. It was written by MEN over the course of several hundred years.

 

The present incarnation of the Bible is one-fifth the size it used to be. In the fourth century, the Church held a council and determined that the other four-fifths was "false doctrine." So again, the present Bible is the work of MEN.

 

A lot of it is total crap. Take the Jesus legend. There was no mass order by the Romans for all subjects to return to their hometowns to be taxed. There would have been no point in doing that, and it would have been impossible to execute, especially in the dead of winter. The legend was created in order to make Jesus more humble in origin. Then there's the "virgin birth" nonsense. Joseph fucked Mary. That's how she got knocked up. Why give it a ridiculous "purity" twist?

 

A rational Bible study group would treat the legends as exactly what they are--fables and tales. Jesus was whacked by the Romans. He stayed dead. If he hadn't, he wouldn't have been human. Obviously, his body was stolen from his tomb. Thus began the fable. We know he existed, because there are independent accounts of his deeds from both the Hebrews and the Romans. But tellingly, there is no corroboration of the tale of his resurrection.

 

In the past, when I've brought up these little quibbles, I've often barely made it out of the room alive. So I fear that I would be fleeing that Bible study group beneath a hail of stones.

 

(I am reminded of the absolutely priceless Monty Python "Stone the blasphemer!!" scene.)

Followers of Jesus did and to this day do experience what you did and much worse, because God gave people free will.  We aren't a world of robots. 

 

Uh, yes, the Bible was written by "MEN", many who witnessed Jesus' death and resurrection.  I don't know of a book written by Lassie or Winnie the Pooh or a jackrabbit.  What book has outsold the Bible?   

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

The trouble with such groups is:

 

They assume the Bible is the sacred word from on high, and every word is, well, gospel truth--when in reality, it is a compilation of legends, fables, allegorical tales, poetry, and some history. It was written by MEN over the course of several hundred years.

 

The present incarnation of the Bible is one-fifth the size it used to be. In the fourth century, the Church held a council and determined that the other four-fifths was "false doctrine." So again, the present Bible is the work of MEN.

 

A lot of it is total crap. Take the Jesus legend. There was no mass order by the Romans for all subjects to return to their hometowns to be taxed. There would have been no point in doing that, and it would have been impossible to execute, especially in the dead of winter. The legend was created in order to make Jesus more humble in origin. Then there's the "virgin birth" nonsense. Joseph fucked Mary. That's how she got knocked up. Why give it a ridiculous "purity" twist?

 

A rational Bible study group would treat the legends as exactly what they are--fables and tales. Jesus was whacked by the Romans. He stayed dead. If he hadn't, he wouldn't have been human. Obviously, his body was stolen from his tomb. Thus began the fable. We know he existed, because there are independent accounts of his deeds from both the Hebrews and the Romans. But tellingly, there is no corroboration of the tale of his resurrection.

 

In the past, when I've brought up these little quibbles, I've often barely made it out of the room alive. So I fear that I would be fleeing that Bible study group beneath a hail of stones.

 

(I am reminded of the absolutely priceless Monty Python "Stone the blasphemer!!" scene.)


   We are SO lucky, imagine having someone who had to be there tell us exactly what happened. What are the odds?? - There will come the day when you won't make it out of that room.... 


   We are SO lucky, imagine having someone who had to be there tell us exactly what happened. What are the odds?? - Originally posted by: David Miller


I was gonna say that too. 

 

Candy

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

I was gonna say that too. 

 

Candy


I'm so sorry to be a BLASPHEMER.

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