Just genuinely nasty people

I'm old enough to remember when the RepubliQ was just the plain old Republican Party. Back in the day, their views were just as antiquated and obsolete as they are today, and there were just as many Bible-thumping nimrods in their gang as there are now. But they were generally decent people, for the most part. They did appear to have a sense of ethics and most of them genuinely loved their country. There was the same race hatred we see now, and the same 19th-century attitude toward women. But they were generally rational and in sharp contrast to now, they were actually willing to be legislators and lawmakers, including being willing to compromise.

Fast forward to today, and the Republican Party is now the RepubliQ. They're, not to put too fine a point on it, fuckin' nuts. Conspiracy theory-sucking crazies who are eager to shit on everything that's good and decent, willing and able to break every rule and norm in their crazed lust for power, and evil in a way none of us would ever have thought possible. Yes, evil. Not just different in philosophy and ideology--immoral and unethical, to a shocking degree.

Who would have thought that a majority of Republicans would support a violent attempt to overthrow the government? Who would have expected that a majority of Republicans would claim that the election their candidate lost was fraudulent--in effect, accusing MILLIONS of their fellow citizens of election fraud? Who would have thought that a majority of Republicans would support the stripping away of voting rights from minorities? I'm sure that Republicans in, say, 1960 or 1970 wouldn't have believed that their party would ever go so full-blown evil wacko nutjob.

I don't blame Trump for this. He's the symptom, not the disease. It all happened somewhat earlier. When do you think it happened? What were the triggers? Why did the Republicans turn into the RepubliQ?

I know we'll get the usual screaming and insults from our resident conservitard scum, who won't have anything meaningful to say, but I'd really like to know the answer to those questions. I'd welcome any input from those of you who aren't delusional scumbag assholes--so not Millerscum, Boilerboob, Charles the Crazy, stupid Tommie-poo, Peckerwood, or any of the other rapist and traitor supporters. (Not that I don't expect to hear them honk anyway.)

One of the broad core tenets for a true conservative ( not necessarily a "Republican") is liberty. What's that mean? It can partially be defined by a state of being free from oppressive restrictons from authority regarding political, behavioral, and way of life choices ( at least up to some point where any libertarian actions break existing laws). Simultaneously, I don't deserve any personal liberty if I don't allow others to exercise theirs...turns me into a hypocrit immediately. As a soft core LVA - thematic example, it's none of my business to tell a future Vegas visitor how to conduct their trip itinerary, and vice versa. Opinions can be shared but not mandated. IE.." You're either an idiot or an asshole if you buy-in at a 6:5 blackjack table" or " NEVER stay at Park MGM ..it sucks ". Corny apple pie stuff, but..so be it.

I think you're mistaken to label ALL Republicans / conservatives as being represented by those who entered the capitol building on Jan. 6, 2022. I don't think the US majority of those ideologies were represented by that group..I think they were a fringe faction that made bonehead mistakes. It's just speculation ( I don't have any stats / poll results..don't need any), but I think most on my side of the spectrum would agree with that.

Make no mistake, I am a conservative and make no apologies for it. Limited government, reduced taxation, free markets, the rule of law, fiscal responsibility, individual freedom / liberties, and the right to basic human dignity for the entire lot. I live and exist in that elusive bowl of cornflakes. I'm a firm believer in the liberties for any / all that disagree with my views, including you. In the end, my most powerful weapon is to cast my vote..and then move on. The entire bastion of political TV/ online talking heads disgusts me..both sides of the spectrum.

I don't know when or what triggered your perception of Republican/ conservative value changes. The cultural transformations that we've observed in the last 30 years are likely related , though. I'd argue that my personal views partially outlined above have not changed for more than 60 years. Change is not a favored state for conservatives..might be one of our pitfalls in actuality, since some change is inevitable.

Women? I love them all, one in particular. When based on performance merit, they shouldn't have any limits on their assorted trajectories.

Bible-thumpers? I don't thump on them or the Bible, but retain some belief in the underlying meat of that protein source. Whatever I believe, I don't force it on anybody else..that freedom of religion thing in the Constitution applies.

Now, you wanna make medicine?

Cheers..

A hate filled, nasty, smear post directed at political enemies.in a thread titled 'Just genuinely nasty people'.  You can't make this shit up.  What's next on the agenda for this loon?  Show trials?  Collective Punishment?  The Great Purge? 

Good Americans believe you treat people as indivduals rather than try to smear millions of them with the bad acts of a few.  Kevin's generalizations would be like blaming all Democrats for the attempted assination of the congressional Republican baseball team by a Democrat or calling all Democrats looting arsonists for the 300+ riots in the summer of 2020.  He knows that, but thinks he can get a few poltical points by calling all Republicans Racist Traitors.  What a toxic nasty person he is.

Sorry to school you, asshole, but dozens of polls in the last several years have shown that the wackadoodle RepubliQs are in the majority. MOST self-identified Republicans say they support the insurrection. Most self-identified Republicans say that Trump won in 2020. MOST self-identified Republicans say they bitterly oppose critical race theory (though not one in a thousand could tell you what it is). MOST self-identified Republicans support voting restrictions (those noble adherents to the values of the Founding Fathers).

I never said that there weren't any non-asshole Republicans. What I said was that there are considerably fewer than there used to be. When did you become a nasty fucker, Charles? Was it onrushing senility? Impotence? Illness? Feeling that the world was passing you by? Or have you always been that way?

There is defininitely one causal factor I can identify in the mutation of the Republican party to the RepubliQ--there are more old people around, proportionately, than ever before. Used to be, you turned 65, that was pretty much it. Now, people have 10-15 more years. So the afraid-of-change hardened old racists aren't dying off as they did before, and of course, those fucks vote.

You highlight why conservatism is fundamentally wrong--and sadly, kind of stupid. (I'm not saying that you personally are stupid--it's just that your worldview is based on a false premise.) Conservatism is, by definition, resistance to and reluctance to embrace change. That's fine in a static world--say, medieval Japan. But it's badly misplaced in a dynamic world such as ours.

I've found that conservatives are gross hypocrites when talking about "liberty" in two ways: one, they tend to oppose measures that would increase the liberty of people/groups/races that they don't like, and two, they tend to tout their personal FREEDUMBs even when the exercise of such abridges the freedom of others, such as their supposed "right" to wave guns around or their "right" to prosecute any woman who gets an abortion.

I'd like to see more acknowledgment of the simple principle that our freedoms are not absolute and in fact, they end at the point where we interfere with anyone else's freedoms. I'd also like to see less willingness to adopt whatever lunacy gets honked out on Facebook/Twitter/Fox News/Yahoo--an abandonment of the metric "Is this true? Lemme see...does it sound good to me?" But the RepubliQ think that human rights and freedoms can be applied selectively (to "us, not THEM") and that objective reality is an obsolete concept. The Republican party (which is extinct) didn't think that way.

Anyway, thanks for your input. You do seem like one of the reasonable Republicans/conservatives who used to be the norm. But sadly, you're a small minority now. Hell, just read the nonsensical, eyes-bugged-out bloviations in this forum. The RepubliQ wackadoodles are firmly in the majority.

Are all Republicans bad people who are racist and support a coup of our Democracy?  No, certainly not.   But most are.   Thats not my opinion.   Its born out in the ongoing primaries and polls where they self identify as such.   And thats big problem for Republicans.    Democrats have issues too - but they hold their own accountable.    The "defund the police" politicians just got kicked out of office in California yesterday.....BY THEIR OWN PARTY's VOTERS.     

By contrast Republicans are overwhelmingly voting for politicians whose only issue is relitigating the 2020 election, promising to cheat in the next round, and forgive the Jan 6 coup.

Don't believe me?

- Trump is the overwhelming favorite GOP candidate for 2024 despite his actions in 2020....and despite him promising to pardon the scum from Jan 6.

- Marjorie taylor Greene won her primary with 70% of the votes.  She wasnt running against Bernie Sanders - those were other Republicans she beat against

- Pennsylvania just nominated governor and senator who both openly support the Trump decertification effort and promise to use their power to create a different outcome if it happens again

- MS represenative Michael Guest received fewer votes than his challenger.  Why?  Because he supported a Jan 6 investigation.

- And do I need to point out Liz Cheney whose policy positions are as conservative as anybody in Congress but it the periah of the party because she actually recognizes the Jan 6 coup for what it was?

This is a painfully small list and I'm not even touching the crazy people being elected at the state and local level.     

The majority of voters is by definition not a fringe ...and the majority of Republicans right now openly sympathize with the treasonous behavior that occurred in the wake of 2020.     Not my opinion - thats how they are voting.

FOX News knows it too.   Thats why they aren't covering the hearings tomorrow.

You guys just crack me up.  The majority of Democrats still believe that Russians hacked the 2016 elections and supported the seditious Russian collusion hoax that was a Hillary dirty trick. Why it was an effort to 'undermine our democracy!.  I don't know any Republicans who actually supported breaching the Capitol.  Most think it was stupid.  The act of a few hundred (mostly peaceful) protestors that turned violent (for even fewer).  There were 250,000 protesters in DC that day.  The day Trump asked them to Peacefully and Patriotically March.  Only a few actually were involved with entering the capitol.  Almost zero compared the 75 million who voted for Trump that you continue to smear.

So try this on.  A Democrat has just been arrested with weapons on Justice Kavanaugh's street. He was plotting an assassination.  Remember when your party leader Chuck Schumer threatened "I want to tell you, Gorsuch; I want to tell you, Kavanaugh: You have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price".  Sounds like a threat to me.  Using your logic your party leader triggered this potentially horrible event....Do most Democrats now support assassinating Supreme Court Justices?  Of course you must because you keep electing folks who are inflaming such despicable violence.  

I liked it better when we just blamed individuals for their own actions.  But I can keep this blame game up as long as you want.

Charles, would you vote for Trump again given that he told his VP to decerify the election, tried to shake down Georiga for fake votes, and promise to pardon "the handful of violent Jan 6 insurrectionists"?

Would you vote for a Gubenatorial candidate over other sensible Republicans that promises to decertify his state's election if a Democrat wins next time around?

Would you vote to oust a Republican Congressman or COngresswoman who supports investigating the Jan 6 coup?

If you answer "NO" to all of the above then good for you.  If you answer "YES" to any of the above then you are in line with the majority (not fringe plurality) of people in your party. 

Thanks for stopping by. 

This post is such an absurd mix of exaggeration, hyperbole, and just plain bullshit that it deserves no further comment.

More laughter.  I don't vote for candidates based on a riots they didn’t encourage, pardons they never gave or requests for decertification that didn’t happen. I especially don't fall for your hypocrisy and false moral outrage.  Where was this outrage when Democrats objected to certifying the Presidential Election in January 2017?  Crickets.  Where were you when Hillary continued to claim the 2016 election was stolen…to this very day?

Democrats object to election certification...threatens Democracy!

And because your team has been ginning up violent pro-abortion protests we could have had a Supreme Court Justice assassinated and you know a pro-life group’s office was firebombed by Democrat terrorists this week.  I demand that you disavow any democrat politician whose rhetoric has clearly led to such violent acts….that would be all of them!  See how that works?

Thanks for playing.