Kaepernick Workout Produces a Tryout with the Cleveland Browns

Originally posted by: Boilerman

I don't like Kaepernick because he protests against America's police.  Blacks are treated differently as a group by police because this groups acts differently.  Blacks as a group are a high violence risk group, thus this group gets more attention from police.  It's a shame that the good, law abiding black people get a "second look" from police when doing nothing wrong,  and blame for this should be placed on the bad actors and not the police.  


You're expressing the same uninformed prejudice that makes police gun down unarmed black men. They're "more dangerous than normal people," so the cops' default setting is to shoot them (sometimes in the back) if they even kinda sorta seem to be a threat.

 

It comes down to, you'll always be prejudiced as long as you don't think of blacks as human beings equal to whites. Ditto the cops. Kaepernick was protesting this sad reality. That's why he was punished--white America doesn't want to hear about it.

 

You might want to rethink your attitudes. But I have the feeling that you're dead set in your ways.

Kevin, since Kaepernick and I are equal, why don't you petition for the NFL to hire me?  Come on Kevin, are we equal or not?

Originally posted by: Boilerman

Kevin, since Kaepernick and I are equal, why don't you petition for the NFL to hire me?  Come on Kevin, are we equal or not?


I doubt that you have ever taken a football team to an NFC championship.

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I doubt that you have ever taken a football team to an NFC championship.


So we're not all really equal, are we.


Originally posted by: Boilerman

So we're not all really equal, are we.


You show a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept. No one ever said that we are all equal--as in, identical. The way we are equal is that each and every one of us has the same rights and is entitled to be treated the same way by society and the law. I actually doubt that you're so dense as to not realize the distinction between "identical" and "equal."

 

In terms of civil and human rights, black people are equal to white people (and brown people, and red people...). This concept is codified in our laws. Therefore, if you treat black people differently (as in, usually, worse), or you think of them/regard them as inferior--or conversely, treat white people better or think of them/regard them as superior--then you're not just stupidly wrong; you're breaking the law.

 

So when cops execute unarmed black people, and you stand on the sidelines and applaud, both you and the cops are breaking the most fundamental laws of this country.

Thinking of any person as inferior to me is breaking the law?  Hmm.  Didn't know "the laws" can read my mind.   I have had unkind thoughts about one person or another (all races) or their actions at times throughout my life. 

 

Thinking or regarding other humans (groups, etc.) as inferior is a cultural concept, not law.  Acting out those feelings, well there is some latitude there.   

 

Laws (new ones, amended ones) protect persons as members of a group or class (race, religion, handicapped etc.) from discriminatory acts or conditions, e.g. access to public buildings, not how they are regarded by an individual.  Criminal law defines what is "breaking the law" regarding actions against a person or persons.  

 

Laws are necessary because humans, being human, do not always like each other and would continue to "want what I want when I want it and I want it right now", as they did at age two, and as they did in the remote past.   At the expense of everyone else.

Candy, if you read my post with any degree of care, I was saying that expressions and actions of racism are against the law---not thoughts.

 

However, I would say that regarding people of other races as inferior violates the spirit of the law if not its letter, and such thoughts are almost always translated into words or actions.

"Therefore, if you treat black people differently (as in, usually, worse), or you think of them/regard them as inferior--or conversely, treat white people better or think of them/regard them as superior--then you're not just stupidly wrong; you're breaking the law.

 

So when cops execute unarmed black people, and you stand on the sidelines and applaud, both you and the cops are breaking the most fundamental laws of this country."

 

That's what you said, Kevin.   You and I must have different interpretations of "breaking the law."  When was the last time you saw KKK demonstrators arrested, unless they did harm to somebody or property damage?

 

I agree that divisive thoughts and words can seque into acceptability.  That is primarily why I object to your pejorative language.  You don't know who is reading, whom you influence.  Another reason, I was raised better.

I'm cracking up, Candy, at your pathetic attempt to seize the moral high ground by using a Trump-style false equivalence argument. You must have been watching a lot of Fox News lately.

 

I already conceded your largely irrelevant point that racist thoughts aren't per se against the law. But how many people, do you think, never translate those thoughts into words or actions? I'm certainly not immune to it, and neither are you.

 

So when Boilerman spouts inane crap like black people are more dangerous than white people, I object to that even though the probability is very low that he's actually going to shoot up a church.

 

 

Also, note: It's my view that if you don't object to racism, you're tacitly accepting it, and therefore abetting it. Those good Germans who watched in silence as the Jews were being dragged off weren't committing any crime.

 

Technically, anyway.

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