Kroger grocery stores run on a 2% margin

Originally posted by: Nines

Where's your source for "the largest beef meatpackers voluntarily bred fewer cattle starting in 2020 in a deliberate effort to reduce the supply of beef thereby raising the price". So, these rancher mafioso convened in a mountain cabin somewhere to artificially raise the retail beef price by reducing production and supply? 

 

What about the real effects of Covid on meat packing plant closures / restrictions on supply and demand? What about production cost increases ( feed, transportation, logistics) that are still in effect today? What about Covid effects on grocery stores and food service outlets? You think all that is over with? All these multi-leg stops on the beef supply chain have increased prices post-Covid to the next entity down the line..as have almost every other industry that the consumer does business with. It's a little short-sided to blame the meat packers as the main cog in increased beef prices...it's a complex commercial food service system. Granted, these meat packers have nearly monopolistic power..but to assign all blame to them for cost increases doesn't address the complexity of the beef supply chain.


Fair enough.    There's clearly plenty of variables that went into the cost of beef.     Some are mother nature and some are morally questionable - lets just say that.    The meatpacking industry is not a high-growth money machine like say Nvidia.   So when their profits double in 24 months while their product sells at a price well beyond the historical profit margin then it warrants the government looking into it, wouldnt you agree?

 

In any event, its nice to see someone on the right not blame the food inflation on Joe Biden.    Maybe you can pass that along to the folks at FOX news...and our resident conservative posters.

Originally posted by: PJ Stroh

Fair enough.    There's clearly plenty of variables that went into the cost of beef.     Some are mother nature and some are morally questionable - lets just say that.    The meatpacking industry is not a high-growth money machine like say Nvidia.   So when their profits double in 24 months while their product sells at a price well beyond the historical profit margin then it warrants the government looking into it, wouldnt you agree?

 

In any event, its nice to see someone on the right not blame the food inflation on Joe Biden.    Maybe you can pass that along to the folks at FOX news...and our resident conservative posters.


The big four meat packers have all paid fines with regard to this matter..with deniability as a part of those agreements. So, as a group they're not squeaky clean admittedly. I'd like to see the producers ( the cow-calf segments, and the stocker - growers) get a bigger piece of the profit pie ( vs the packers). There's just a ton of inputs ( and outputs) in this part of the food supply chain. It's complex.

Originally posted by: tom

I also note Trump has purposed hard core price controls

 

Never said that.

 

 

 

 


Proof:

 

https://youtu.be/eENEIdjE4HI

Don't you just love MAGA morons like Boiler bitching about inflation but being utterly indifferent to the record profits enjoyed by the big corporations that set the price of consumer goods?

 

Or does Boilerboob still think that every company in the US phones the White House every Monday morning to ask what prices to charge for their products?

 

Do you think that Boilerboob knows that grocery store margins have historically been closer to 1%?

 

Do you think that Boilerboob knows his ass from a hole in the ground?


Originally posted by: Mark

Proof:

 

https://youtu.be/eENEIdjE4HI


He says he wants to increase exploration, which will increase production, which will increase supply which will decrease prices.

 

Nothing about price controls

 

Tom, Harris didn't say anything about price controls. Yet you said she wants to enact them. Care to explain the difference?

 

In that clip, and others, Trump claimed he was going to cut electric and energy by 50%. I paid $2.99 a gallon for regular unleaded a couple of hours ago to fill up my F-150. So you are saying Trump will get gas down to $1.49 a gallon in my area within the next 12 to 18 months through increased exploration?

 

That is a ludicrous argument on its face. What oil company is going the be intrested in increased exploration if the overall goal is to get gas down to $1.50 a gallon? 

Edited on Aug 24, 2024 2:39pm
Originally posted by: Mark

Tom, Harris didn't say anything about price controls. Yet you said she wants to enact them. Care to explain the difference?

 

In that clip, and others, Trump claimed he was going to cut electric and energy by 50%. I paid $2.99 a gallon for regular unleaded a couple of hours ago to fill up my F-150. So you are saying Trump will get gas down to $1.49 a gallon in my area within the next 12 to 18 months through increased exploration?

 

That is a ludicrous argument on its face. What oil company is going the be intrested in increased exploration if the overall goal is to get gas down to $1.50 a gallon? 


People like Boilerboob and stupid Tom swallow Trump's nonsense whole without thinking. Our gas prices aren't dependent on supply. Our domestic cartels have kept that supply tightly choked off. As you say, why would they flood the market with more crude? That would only drive the price of fuel products downward.

 

We have over 4,000 capped wells that are out of production. We export millions of barrels of crude every day. We're "energy independent" already (that favorite conservitard trigger phrase), and if all our vast oil reserves were considered public property, we'd be paying less than $1 a gallon, like in, say, Saudi Arabia.

Did Kamala mention grocery stores during her speech in price gouging?  Yep, she did.  This proves that she and her handlers don't have a grasp on reality.  BTW, Pepsico had profits of 9.2 billion in 2023 on 100.4 billion invested.  Not bad, but certainly nothing crazy.  And so what.  Frito brand is doing well so they invested to successfully grow this business...giving people more of what they want.  Profit caps would assure that Pepsi wouldn't invest more, and wouldn't hire more to make Frito products.  The free market system is the best thing we will ever have and Kamala wants to ruin it.

Can you give me the quote from anything in her speech that said she blamed grocery stores for gouging?  Or how she planned to crack down on their profits?    And if you cant (you cant) then lets just assume you're telling another whopper of a lie on the same thread you started with a lie.

 

Speaking of Frito Lay - Trump and RFK have promised to crack down on all the toxins in your processed food.   Boilerman, what dfo you think is going to happen when RFK is at the head of the FDA and gets to tell Frito Lay what ingredients they are allowed to use in their potato chips?

 

 

Edited on Aug 25, 2024 6:24am
Originally posted by: Boilerman

Did Kamala mention grocery stores during her speech in price gouging?  Yep, she did.  This proves that she and her handlers don't have a grasp on reality.  BTW, Pepsico had profits of 9.2 billion in 2023 on 100.4 billion invested.  Not bad, but certainly nothing crazy.  And so what.  Frito brand is doing well so they invested to successfully grow this business...giving people more of what they want.  Profit caps would assure that Pepsi wouldn't invest more, and wouldn't hire more to make Frito products.  The free market system is the best thing we will ever have and Kamala wants to ruin it.


1. Boiler, you're a poorly educated fool.

 

2. Free markets fail ALL THE TIME. That's why there's regulation. An example would be the "death spiral" of unregulated health insurance markets.

 

3. Profit caps wouldn't stifle investment. Not if they were reasonably high. The fear of government regulation is a conservitard mantra, nothing more.

 

4. In general, allowing big corporations to operate unfettered by regulation is a recipe for disaster. We know this from our own history.

 

5. Boiler, you're an idiot.

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