Louisiana Federal judge's conclusions re: social media / free speech suppression

Originally posted by: Charles Higgins

Both pious entities ( left and right) exercised  their  rights to free speech in those two separate incidents you referred to. There was a significant portion of right-leaning consumers who bought a lot less Bud Light in that aftermath..we know that was a resulting real consequence for Budweiser. I can't possibly know the real statistical incidence of consequences from the C-19 speech restrictions. And I don't know whom to ask to discover the truthful answer to that. The New York Times editor? The Breitbart editor? Not likely from either. As I've offered previously ( you don't have to accept it), the free speech clause invites disagreement; we see it in action every damned time the news cycle crises evolves from one calamity to the next( every few minutes it seems0. 


Charles, we know what the consequences of covid disinformation were, and pretty accurately at that. To wit: let's compare the US to other Western democracies with similar wealth, health care systems, etc. So: Western Europe, Canada, Japan, Australia. (For the sake of fairness, leave out NZ.) Our covid death and hospitalization rates were double those of the abovementioned nations. So we could argue that of our 1,000,000 deaths, 500,000 were preventable.

 

Then we look for the independent variable. The only salient variable is that of all these nations, the US was the only one with a major political party and the nation's chief executive actively campaigning against covid precautions and restrictions. So: what was the cost of freedumb?

 

Half a million souls. The harm that the Biden administration tried to stop, or at least mitigate.

This is an interesting topic.  First off, the ruling will likely be overturned because it is outside mainstream legal reasoning.  Even most conservative attorneys acknowledge this.  

 

 

It seems to me the root of the problem is that what conservatives are whining about it isn't free speech. It is about the non-existent right to not be fact-checked when they spew conspiracy theories over social media some of which have harmed people and put their lives at risk. For example, they don't want the social media companies stepping in and trying to help stop another January 6th-style coup.

 

A lot of conservative politicians have come to realize they can't win national elections if they can't keep their base ginned up on these conspiracy theories.  Putting a fact check under viral conspiracy posts or leaving the post up but taking it out of the algorithm that rewards engagement makes it harder to gin up the conservative base.  

 

The truth of the matter is, our Democratic Republic is in danger because social media in its current form is a radicalization engine that is driving people to engage in politically driven violent acts.  We are going to have to do something about that shortly or the country will become unrecognizable.

 

I suspect most conservatives if they found themselves in the conservative social media crosshairs, would wonder why nobody could put a stop to people publishing lies about them that put they and their family members' lives at risk.  See Ray Epps.  

 

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by: Mark

This is an interesting topic.  First off, the ruling will likely be overturned because it is outside mainstream legal reasoning.  Even most conservative attorneys acknowledge this.  

 

 

It seems to me the root of the problem is that what conservatives are whining about it isn't free speech. It is about the non-existent right to not be fact-checked when they spew conspiracy theories over social media some of which have harmed people and put their lives at risk. For example, they don't want the social media companies stepping in and trying to help stop another January 6th-style coup.

 

A lot of conservative politicians have come to realize they can't win national elections if they can't keep their base ginned up on these conspiracy theories.  Putting a fact check under viral conspiracy posts or leaving the post up but taking it out of the algorithm that rewards engagement makes it harder to gin up the conservative base.  

 

The truth of the matter is, our Democratic Republic is in danger because social media in its current form is a radicalization engine that is driving people to engage in politically driven violent acts.  We are going to have to do something about that shortly or the country will become unrecognizable.

 

I suspect most conservatives if they found themselves in the conservative social media crosshairs, would wonder why nobody could put a stop to people publishing lies about them that put they and their family members' lives at risk.  See Ray Epps.  

 

 

 

 

 


  More bullshit from Mark.

I don't think Ray Epps, Dominion, those two election workers in Atlanta or Comet Pizza think it is Bullshit to name just a few examples.


Dumbass Davey Dog doesn't like what Mark is saying. Therefore, what Mark is saying is correct.

 

Oh, and Davey Dog can go fuck himself.

I think all of us could probably STFU and be better off on occasion. Maybe an amendment requiring all US citizens to simply be quiet a certain number of minutes / hours within a 24 hour period? Even though this is skewed and entirely impossible/ extraterrestrial... the Mandatory Speech Cessation Amendment, maybe? No social media, no cable news allowed during the agreed upon quiet time? There are some appealing potential aspects to this suggestion, right? No? The way we humans are, though, we'd just double up on the squawk meter the rest of the time. Plus, somebody 's going to get their ass sued, no doubt. More funds for law schools and lawyers, looks like.

 

Forget I brought it up. *l*

The Liberal argument is that we should shelter people from the truth.  Seems about right.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

The Liberal argument is that we should shelter people from the truth.  Seems about right.


It's not the truth I fear. It is the conspiracy mongering that has led to violence and will lead to more violence.

Originally posted by: Boilerman

The Liberal argument is that we should shelter people from the truth.  Seems about right.


So you think "Horse tranquilizer is a miracle cure,:" "Trump won the election," and " Black people shouldn't vote" are all the truth?

 

I'm not surprised. Disgusted, but not surprised.

Originally posted by: Mark

It's not the truth I fear. It is the conspiracy mongering that has led to violence and will lead to more violence.


       If that is true, then you must hate the DemocRats

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