MAGA Treason Hearing Highlights

Because the hearings aren't about her.    She had her own hearing which you mentioned and the outcome was as you mentioned.   What more are you looking for?

Her story is tragic and she is as much a victim of the QaNon rheotric as our country is.     She lost her business due to being manipulated by a loan-shark lender.   She then delved into QaNon throtirc and became a disciple and found someone to blame for her life situation - the same people running the pedophile ring out of the pizzeria in Washington.

Ultimately she was shot in the face whilst bashing down the doors to the halls of COngress admist chants of "Hang Mike Pence"  and "Kill Nancy".    Despite this I have alot more sympathy for her than any Republican has for the multitude of Black men shot in the back by white cops

OK, PJ Stroh...thanks for your take. But I'd question that you'd know how "any Republican" (that somewhat implies ALL of them) would analyze and subsequently how they'd feel / judge factual situations involving white cops shooting black men in the back. I just simply agree to disagree with you on that statement. There's both reasonable and sorry dog members of both right and left factions..and plenty of evidence to support that across a multitude of issues including this one.

And..have a great day. 

Well said - and my apologies.

Charles, here is where the both sides argument falls apart. The sorry dog members of the Republican party are in charge and dictate the current agenda of the Republican party. The last Republican President was a sorry dog. Several Republican members of Congress are sorry dogs and several of the Republican candidates for high state government office are sorry dogs. 

And these aren't your average sorry dogs. These are sorry dogs that participated in a coup to overthrow the government or at the very least expressed support for the coup.

Look at the Michigan candidates for Governor. The current front-runner was just arrested for participating in the January 6th insurrection. The more supposedly "mainstream" candidates were removed from the primary election a few weeks ago for committing election fraud. 

Look at the Pennsylvania Republican nominee for governor another January 6th participant.

 A chief proponent of Trump’s election conspiracy theories, Mastriano made a name for himself organizing the infamous post-election hearing in Gettysburg that Rudy Giuliani attended — and that Trump, who endorsed Mastriano — called in for. He was in Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, the day of the riot at the Capitol, visited Arizona to observe its farcical ballot review and pressed for a review of ballots in Pennsylvania, including in rural Fulton County, which Trump won easily.

One Republican familiar with the campaign, granted anonymity to speak candidly, told me, “He’s like Jim Jones in Guyana.”

Source: Politico 

I'm sorry, but that doesn't fly. The degree of lunacy currently exhibited by the mainstream Republican party far exceeds that exhibited by the fringes of the Democratic party. Likewise, the Republicans are much more willing to violate norms and overturn societal practices than the Democrats--despite the "CONSERVATIVE!!!" banner that the former so proudly wear.

You see, I hate false equivalence arguments. "Them, too! Them, too! Them, too!" doesn't work on the playground and shouldn't work in public discourse. Nonetheless, it's a favorite tool--a core strategy, even--of the RepubliQ. One obvious example is how they constantly compare the murderous, destructive, treasonous insurrection to the BLM protests, as if they were remotely similar in any way. Another was the response to Trump's criminality with "Hillary sent emails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Every conservitard I say something like this to assumes that I'm simply more hostile to the RepubliQ than the Democrats because of my ideological leanings. Despite what they want to believe, that isn't the case at all. The reprehensible shit done by the RepubliQ, the sheer awfulness of Trump, the appalling and frightening RepubliQ crusade to snuff out civil rights--I object to those actions because they are intrinsically harmful to this country, not because of who does them.

@Kevin..Then I simply agree to disagree with you as well..specifically regarding your charge of false equivalents regarding anything I posted. I simply disagreed that ALL right-side members wouldn't have any empathy / sympathy toward an injustly back-shot Black ( or any human of any skin color for that matter). It's just not true / factual from where I sit.

If you're including  the Ashley Babbit inquiry question I posted as a false equivalent, I disagree with that as well. The question was / is " why hasn't it been mentioned at all in the proceedings thus far?". That's a worthy and reasonable question regarding a very public congressional hearing that is charged with presenting a broad slate of Jan. 6 facts. Excluding it is wrong, imo. Admittedly, that's a right-side question ( non-veiled).

Regarding opinions (right vs left), the current divide we're seeing in the US may be greater than at any time in history ( or, minimally, due to immediate access because of so-called news technology advances the entire mess is instantly visible to the public); it's shameful, actually. The divide just widens ( this forum included) and in the end nobody truly benefits from the war. That should concern all of us a bit more than it actually does, imo...despite the fact that most of the population is perpetually pissed off.

Then you haven't read/heard all the rhetoric trying to justify all the shootings of unarmed black people. It has been, without fail, some combination of "they had it coming" and "the officer was justified in his/her use of deadly force." Where's the outrage? I don't see it coming from the right.

And here's where that led--the characterization of the BLM protestors as "rioters" and the focus on the property damage that occured (much of it committed by white agitators) rather than their legitimate grievances. The intent as well as the effect was to belittle their cause and cloud the issues that generated it. It worked! Here in our widdle forum, for example, we had several of our most rabid conservitards talk about the "destruction" of Portland, OR--as if the entire city had been reduced to a thousand-foot-deep, radioactive, smoking crater. The reality is that there was property damage in an area of two square blocks. I know. I lived there at the time.

I tried to explain to you that the hearings are about crimes committed but not yet prosecuted. The shooting of Babbitt wasn't a crime, and the incident was resolved months ago.

As far as the current political divide is concerned...I'm sure that each side blames the other for its "extreme" and "radical" views that make the divide so difficult to bridge. But the sad fact is that the RepubliQ, the Republican party's replacement, is much more extremist than even the most liberal factions of the Democratic party. And that RepubliQ extremism has become mainstream. It's so rich that they refer to anything and everything the Democrats do or want to do as "radical liberal liberal radical SOOOOOOOCIALIST" and part of their sinister "agenda" (apparently, having a agenda is the worst thing in the world), when they are the ones who are actually radical. Federal abortion police? Choking off minority access to the vote? Refusal to address emergencies such as gun violence and climate change? They're the ones responsible for the divide IMHO.

The extent to which this concerns me depends on whether I see the United States as a functioning entity any longer. And I don't. Should we be one country? I don't think we should. I really don't want to live in the same country--or society--as these people who are so willing to shit on everything good and decent. And they don't want to live in the same country as me, because they don't want to hear any criticism of their ways.

I would love to see the Pacific states unshackled from their burden of supporting the MAGA welfare queens in Trump Land and form their own free and extremely prosperous nation. The nation of Pacifica would be an actual democracy instead of the barely functioning, ramshackle shitshow we have now. But that's unlikely to come about.

Fine..you folks carry on. I'm not done with supporting my country as a democratic republic as yet, but I honestly don't gain / enjoy much of what goes on here. I'll just check in sporadically to check on the score, while harboring sincere belief that there will never be any change and no clear winner. Maybe it's just all about participating in a vent channel..a place to slough off anxieties and frustration due to / from opposing sides. That's what these political arguments represent here, apparently. Guess that's under the free speech umbrella..OK with me.

Cheers...

Only one "side" here supports choking off free speech, and it's not the liberal side. I don't think modern liberals and conservatives can coexist any longer, not when they have such fundamental differences regarding bedrock concepts such as: nonwhite people are human, women have rights, elections count even when your side loses, mass shootings are bad, and the primary goal of American society should NOT be to maximize corporate shareholder value.

I fear you're correct that there won't be any change in the hostility or any meaningful dialogue. When two sides don't view morality or even reality the same way at all, where could any common ground be? I try to talk to conservatives, and I feel like I'm trying to teach mosquitoes not to bite people and suck their blood.

https://www.newsweek.com/arizina-gop-kelli-ward-subpoena-signing-electoral-1675706

Better make room at Gitmo for all the traitors tRump created.