MAGAs Poop In The Pool Snuffing Out Vegas Recovery

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I don't buy the argument that vaccine hesitancy among the Black community is caused by lingering traumatic memories of the Tuskegee syphilis study. Yeah, it was unethical, but it didn't affect that many people and was dwarfed by the thousands of much more overt and harmful examples of discrimination against the Black community.

 

I think it's more along the lines of a distrust of government brought about by Republican efforts to snuff out their voting rights. Even though Biden is President now, much of the Trumpy apparatus remains. I can see why Black people might think the government doesn't have their best interests at heart. It literally never has.


It is a big enough problem they brought together relatives of those that were experimented on to create ads encouraging AAs to take the COVID-19 vaccine. 

 

Tuskegee is the one-word answer some people give as a reason they’re avoiding COVID-19 vaccines. A new ad campaign launched Wednesday with relatives of men who unwittingly became part of the infamous experiment wants to change minds...

 

Neal and other Tyson relatives are among half a dozen Tuskegee descendants involved in the ads, which focus on vaccine hesitancy among Black Americans. They say vaccination is needed to help communities of color and curb a disease that has disproportionately affected Black Americans.

‘’Don’t deny ourselves the opportunity the men were denied,’’ Tyson’s 76-year-old daughter, Lillie Tyson Head, said in one of the ads.

 

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Kevin Lewis opines: "I had absolutely no problems with Republicans, even though I didn't agree with them, until they elected an evil, stupid man and then tried to destroy the rule of law and seize absolute power, an effort that continues to this day and may yet be successful. I haven't seen any Don Diego outrage about that."

 

 

Apparently Kevin Lewis and poor old DonDiego differ on the qualities of the 45th President, . . . and most probably the 46th.  Poor old DonDiego is not surprised by this.

 

Poor old DonDiego supposes they also disagree on the likelihood of the seizure of the American Government and subsequent destruction of the rule-of-law by the Republican Party.  And thus poor old DonDiego is, in fact, not outraged by the prospect.

 

(For the record, poor old DonDiego supposes he is significantly less susceptable to outrage overall than is Kevin Lewis.) 

 

Nonetheless, poor old DonDiego opines he might become outraged if, indeed, Kevin Lewis's proposal to exile "all Republicans" were to become Law, . . . presumedly under a Democrat Administration.  (n.b. Poor old DonDiego supposes such a policy is, in fact, absolutely unconstitutional; but he nonetheless understands that would not be perceived as an impediment in Kevin Lewis's proposed Rule-by-Absolute-Democrat-Power-Government.)

 

Poor old DonDiego prefers governance in accordance with the US Constitution by whatever Party is elected.  It's pr'bly better for the citizens overall.

Originally posted by: Don

Kevin Lewis opines: "I had absolutely no problems with Republicans, even though I didn't agree with them, until they elected an evil, stupid man and then tried to destroy the rule of law and seize absolute power, an effort that continues to this day and may yet be successful. I haven't seen any Don Diego outrage about that."

 

 

Apparently Kevin Lewis and poor old DonDiego differ on the qualities of the 45th President, . . . and most probably the 46th.  Poor old DonDiego is not surprised by this.

 

Poor old DonDiego supposes they also disagree on the likelihood of the seizure of the American Government and subsequent destruction of the rule-of-law by the Republican Party.  And thus poor old DonDiego is, in fact, not outraged by the prospect.

 

(For the record, poor old DonDiego supposes he is significantly less susceptable to outrage overall than is Kevin Lewis.) 

 

Nonetheless, poor old DonDiego opines he might become outraged if, indeed, Kevin Lewis's proposal to exile "all Republicans" were to become Law, . . . presumedly under a Democrat Administration.  (n.b. Poor old DonDiego supposes such a policy is, in fact, absolutely unconstitutional; but he nonetheless understands that would not be perceived as an impediment in Kevin Lewis's proposed Rule-by-Absolute-Democrat-Power-Government.)

 

Poor old DonDiego prefers governance in accordance with the US Constitution by whatever Party is elected.  It's pr'bly better for the citizens overall.


If DonDiego thinks that Trump-45 was anything other than an awful President--well, all I can say is...dementia.

 

DonDiego apparently welcomes the Republican party's efforts to destroy our democracy. As he has professed to be a loyal American, I am surprised by his support of the Republican attempts to do so.

 

DonDiego's lack of outrage at--indeed, enthusiastic support of--the Republican insurrection is heinous. Any good American should have been shocked and appalled. Not DonDiego, though.

 

It would not be unconstitutional to remove all Republicans from the US. Treason is a crime; crimes are punishable by the mechanisms based on the Constitution; and all Republicans are traitors.

 

DonDiego, his mental faculties sadly slipping away, doesn't realize that political parties can't hold public office, and therefore, we don't elect them.

I would love to see a study of the political affilliation of the unvaccinated.  I suspect the majority are left leaning Democrats as people of color (who vote in high numbers for Democrats) that distrust vaccines..  

 

So, the premise here is likely pure ignorant hate and prejudice.  Have a good day.


Originally posted by: jphelan

I would love to see a study of the political affilliation of the unvaccinated.  I suspect the majority are left leaning Democrats as people of color (who vote in high numbers for Democrats) that distrust vaccines..  

 

So, the premise here is likely pure ignorant hate and prejudice.  Have a good day.


I posted it on the other thread...but here it is again from the country's most acredited healthcare research group.

 

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/kff-covid-19-vaccine-monitor-profile-of-the-unvaccinated/

 

Their nationwide poll breaks down the demographics accross a wide wange.   You can look at their results or you can hide behind the "liberal boogeyman" card like Tom and Boilerman.    

 

And here's a spoiler alert - the audience that watches Sean Hannity and his anti-Vax propoganda are more likely to listen to him than people who dont.

 

Have a COVID free day !

Originally posted by: Kevin Lewis

I don't buy the argument that vaccine hesitancy among the Black community is caused by lingering traumatic memories of the Tuskegee syphilis study. Yeah, it was unethical, but it didn't affect that many people and was dwarfed by the thousands of much more overt and harmful examples of discrimination against the Black community.

 

I think it's more along the lines of a distrust of government brought about by Republican efforts to snuff out their voting rights. Even though Biden is President now, much of the Trumpy apparatus remains. I can see why Black people might think the government doesn't have their best interests at heart. It literally never has.


I'm too lazy and tired to look it all up again, but I believe "Tuskegee" actually originated in...England?  A study designed to evaluate the course of untreated syphilis, though smaller in subjects (N) and WAY smaller, if any at all, in the N of Black subjects.  A scientist or doctor or someone in the US read about that study and thought how perfect this would be in the US, particularly in a southern state where the greater N of Black subjects plus a lot of syphilis at the time would provide for a much larger study, attractive to physicians and scientists needing to "Publish or perish."   Among recruits to conduct the American study was a respected Black nurse working in the Public Health sector.  She was effective in recruiting Black study participants, explaining the benefits they would receive, e.g. regular medical check ups, vitamins and other treatments (though not penicillin, which would have treated the syphilis) , other 'benefits' lending 'legitimacy' to the study.  Plus I think they got paid a sum for taking part.   They didn't even try to say they were comparing effectiveness of those other "treatments" to Penicillin, just documenting the physical effects of untreated disease.  The subjects got to see Miss (can't recall her name right  now) which was a nice benefit.  If I remember correctly she was oblivious to the actual lack of effectiveness of the so-called treatments, and the real purpose of the study, as she much later learned.  I think she wrote a book.

 

I didn't learn about Tuskegee in any phase of my education including Nursing.  Only as an Ethics Commitee member did I learn about the ethical aspect (or potrential lack thereof) of research.  I knew of Hitler and the torture of Jews, but not the actual "studies" performed on the concentration camp prisoners in the name of research.  Talk about gruesome.  Read about the freezing treatments, conducted in the name of determining how long German pilots could tolerate freezing temperatures and be revived.  Of course most of the captive Jews died during their organized dunking in sub freezing water.  But I digress.

 

Actually, I somewhat agree with Kevin as to how much or how not so much "Tuskegee" has influenced reluctance to get the vaccine, which is to say not always but definitely when Black humans are told the story by another Black human(s) who fervently associates the two.  That's how we all roll, we listen to people we trust and believe them, whether they are correct or not.

 

Candy

Originally posted by: jphelan

I would love to see a study of the political affilliation of the unvaccinated.  I suspect the majority are left leaning Democrats as people of color (who vote in high numbers for Democrats) that distrust vaccines..  

 

So, the premise here is likely pure ignorant hate and prejudice.  Have a good day.


Wrong-o, dude. This info is very easily available. The unvaccinated are three times as likely to be Republicans as Democrats.

Originally posted by: O2bnVegas

I'm too lazy and tired to look it all up again, but I believe "Tuskegee" actually originated in...England?  A study designed to evaluate the course of untreated syphilis, though smaller in subjects (N) and WAY smaller, if any at all, in the N of Black subjects.  A scientist or doctor or someone in the US read about that study and thought how perfect this would be in the US, particularly in a southern state where the greater N of Black subjects plus a lot of syphilis at the time would provide for a much larger study, attractive to physicians and scientists needing to "Publish or perish."   Among recruits to conduct the American study was a respected Black nurse working in the Public Health sector.  She was effective in recruiting Black study participants, explaining the benefits they would receive, e.g. regular medical check ups, vitamins and other treatments (though not penicillin, which would have treated the syphilis) , other 'benefits' lending 'legitimacy' to the study.  Plus I think they got paid a sum for taking part.   They didn't even try to say they were comparing effectiveness of those other "treatments" to Penicillin, just documenting the physical effects of untreated disease.  The subjects got to see Miss (can't recall her name right  now) which was a nice benefit.  If I remember correctly she was oblivious to the actual lack of effectiveness of the so-called treatments, and the real purpose of the study, as she much later learned.  I think she wrote a book.

 

I didn't learn about Tuskegee in any phase of my education including Nursing.  Only as an Ethics Commitee member did I learn about the ethical aspect (or potrential lack thereof) of research.  I knew of Hitler and the torture of Jews, but not the actual "studies" performed on the concentration camp prisoners in the name of research.  Talk about gruesome.  Read about the freezing treatments, conducted in the name of determining how long German pilots could tolerate freezing temperatures and be revived.  Of course most of the captive Jews died during their organized dunking in sub freezing water.  But I digress.

 

Actually, I somewhat agree with Kevin as to how much or how not so much "Tuskegee" has influenced reluctance to get the vaccine, which is to say not always but definitely when Black humans are told the story by another Black human(s) who fervently associates the two.  That's how we all roll, we listen to people we trust and believe them, whether they are correct or not.

 

Candy


I am somewhat pleased that you somewhat agree with me. What you describe circulating among the Black community sounds more like "convenient excuse" to me. I'm feeling hesitant about getting the vaccine, but maybe I should...then, ooh, Tuskegee!!! a friend tells me, and now, uh, uh, can't trust those white folks.

 

The cure for this, of course, is to have people who are trusted by the Black community spread the message that the vaccines are safe and effective, as well as the dangers presented by refusing to get them. Unfortunately, many of those same people are spreading anti-vax rumors as well as, yes, droning on and on about Tuskegee.

 

I can see why Black people in general don't trust the government, but they should be able to see that unlike during the past four years, the country isn't being run by an administration that actively hates them. Of course, that hatred still persists and is being played out in inbred Southern-cracker state legislatures and governors' mansions. As with so very many issues, education can overcome discrimination.

 

(As will exiling or exterminating all Republicans, but that's a utopian vision still far in the future. Honk honk, DonDiego.)

Candy, Wow! That is one mighty fine whitewash. Here is the real history.

 

 

Edited on Aug 1, 2021 12:00pm
Originally posted by: Mark

Candy, Wow! That is one mighty fine white wash. 


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